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Old 04-01-2021, 02:48 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by rowingfiend View Post
well, with biden in charge what do you expect. He's incompetent in every regard. If trump were still in office this would not have happened.

So this screw up means americans who voted for biden have killed even more people.
Biden Derangement Syndrome
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Old 04-01-2021, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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This one was a doozy.

https://www.thestar.com/life/health_...in_europe.html

But, vaccines are PERFECTLY safe .... [eyeroll]
Actually this situation gives additional evidence to my position that I don't plan to take a vaccine until the one I'm getting (I'm not asking to pick) has been in widespread use going into humans for at least one year.

At that point, I feel like the likelihood of major mistakes will have been basically eliminated and the potential for undetected side effects wrung out.

I do think vaccines are safe on the whole, but I also think its prudent to be aware of the additional risk the greatly accelerated vaccine development schedule for this has produced.

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Old 04-01-2021, 04:40 PM
 
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Nope. That’s not what happened.

The internal controls within the Emergent Bio Solution facility detected the mix up of ingredients within a batch.
This happened way before the batch gets transported to another facility responsible for filling vials before shipping.

Obviously the, let’s call it , contaminated batch, will not be put into vials, which some have estimated could have been as many as 15 million vials.

Not clear which ingredient(s) were a part of the mix up nor the impact had existing controls been inadequate or non- existent.

In terms of a back story, J&J locked arms with Emergent Bio Solutions in April, 2020 to manufacture the vaccine, J&J was developing with Federal grants.

Records show Emergent Bio Solutions had previous citations going back years for inadequate auditing, some mold contamination within the facility and poorly trained employees. Context is needed here to determine how this citation history compares to other facilities manufacturing vaccines/ medications.

BTW, NYT broke this story as they did the Hillary email/ server story. Guess it’s only fake news when it questions Trump.


Which batch?

The first I would hope.
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Old 04-01-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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Nope. That’s not what happened.

The internal controls within the Emergent Bio Solution facility detected the mix up of ingredients within a batch.
This happened way before the batch gets transported to another facility responsible for filling vials before shipping.

Obviously the, let’s call it , contaminated batch, will not be put into vials, which some have estimated could have been as many as 15 million vials.

Not clear which ingredient(s) were a part of the mix up nor the impact had existing controls been inadequate or non- existent.

In terms of a back story, J&J locked arms with Emergent Bio Solutions in April, 2020 to manufacture the vaccine, J&J was developing with Federal grants.

Records show Emergent Bio Solutions had previous citations going back years for inadequate auditing, some mold contamination within the facility and poorly trained employees. Context is needed here to determine how this citation history compares to other facilities manufacturing vaccines/ medications.

BTW, NYT broke this story as they did the Hillary email/ server story. Guess it’s only fake news when it questions Trump.
Kind of puts a damper on getting the J and J vaccine going forward.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Nope. That’s not what happened.

The internal controls within the Emergent Bio Solution facility detected the mix up of ingredients within a batch.
This happened way before the batch gets transported to another facility responsible for filling vials before shipping.

Obviously the, let’s call it , contaminated batch, will not be put into vials, which some have estimated could have been as many as 15 million vials.

Not clear which ingredient(s) were a part of the mix up nor the impact had existing controls been inadequate or non- existent.

In terms of a back story, J&J locked arms with Emergent Bio Solutions in April, 2020 to manufacture the vaccine, J&J was developing with Federal grants.

Records show Emergent Bio Solutions had previous citations going back years for inadequate auditing, some mold contamination within the facility and poorly trained employees. Context is needed here to determine how this citation history compares to other facilities manufacturing vaccines/ medications.

BTW, NYT broke this story as they did the Hillary email/ server story. Guess it’s only fake news when it questions Trump.
It's not as if they are making an ice cream soda.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Biden Derangement Syndrome
Biden earned why people dislike him. Big difference. He has done NOTHING for Americans.. just killed jobs, raised gas prices, opened the borders and bringing in many covid infected people.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Kind of puts a damper on getting the J and J vaccine going forward.
The Novavax should be getting approved soon as well, and that one looks to be about as effective as the first two with around 90% or so.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Manufacturing of the vaccine has been temporarily halted while the FDA investigates.

https://nyti.ms/39tmuUQ
Must blame Trump, must blame Trump. Sorry.. Just thinking like a Biden staffer or a CNN host.
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