Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:07 PM
 
3,573 posts, read 1,165,255 times
Reputation: 374

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmyp25 View Post
It will happen. 5 years. Theres nothing you can do about it.
they have thousands of ears of know how managing of big population. Most Chinese are happy and support their government. They are merchants and do not do well in war times.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:11 PM
 
10,500 posts, read 6,981,908 times
Reputation: 32333
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackandgold51 View Post
April Fools.

And please Pray it doesn't happen . And God Forbid.



A working-age population that will decline by 250,000,000 by 2050, making it the most rapidly-aging country in the world.

Debt-GDP ratio of 317% and soaring.

Gaudy growth numbers that are bogus, based on inventory builds by SOEs rather than actual profitability.

85% of its energy is loaded onto tankers in the Middle East and sails 7,000 through seas with multiple choke points.

40% of its manufacturing and exports is for foreign companies that could literally move operations tomorrow. As compared to Japan where the number is closer to 1%.

Labor costs that have increased 11x since 2000, now far in excess of Southeast Asia manufacturing economies. And that's after pretty much driving the interior population of the country into the cities. There's very little in the way of new labor resources to tap.

No allies, unless you count North Korea. Even Russia is a matter of convenience.

Extraordinary malinvestment, best typified by the fact that literally 30% of its housing units will never be occupied.

A torrent of capital flight.

A military that is nothing more than a glorified security force.

China hit its peak in 2015. It's about 10-15 years from being a failed state. The United States, Japan, Indonesia, Australia, or India could bring China to its knees by doing nothing more than blocking the stream of supertankers sailing to the South China Sea.



So, no. I don't buy the China scaremongering.

Last edited by MinivanDriver; 04-01-2021 at 06:20 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:20 PM
 
3,573 posts, read 1,165,255 times
Reputation: 374
Quote:
Originally Posted by MinivanDriver View Post
A working-age population that will decline by 250,000,000 by 2050, making it the most rapidly-aging country in the world.

Debt-GDP ratio of 317% and soaring.

85% of its energy is loaded onto tankers in the Middle East and sails 7,000 through seas with multiple choke points.

40% of its manufacturing and exports is for foreign companies that could literally move operations tomorrow.

Labor costs that have increased 11x since 2000, now far in excess of Southeast Asia manufacturing economies.

No allies, unless you count North Korea. Even Russia is a matter of convenience.

Extraordinary malinvestment, best typified by the fact that literally 30% of its housing units will never be occupied.

A torrent of capital flight.

A military that is nothing more than a glorified security force.

China hit its peak in 2015. It's about 10-15 years from being a failed state. The United States, Japan, Indonesia, Australia, or India could bring China to its knees by doing nothing more than blocking the stream of supertankers sailing to the South China Sea.



So, no. I don't buy the China scaremongering.
they had bad times , but they did not stop, (like they do in US) they built many empty modern cities, just to keep people working, now those empty cities being sold out creating new technology centers , relieving old overpopulated expensive to live cities ...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:22 PM
 
10,500 posts, read 6,981,908 times
Reputation: 32333
Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Duval View Post
they had bad times , but they did not stop, (like they do in US) they built many empty modern cities, just to keep people working, now those empty cities being sold out creating new technology centers , relieving old overpopulated expensive to live cities ...

You'd be wrong. Nobody is moving into those empty cities. This is classic waste of money and effort. This video explains it better than most.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SE47Xjx2Q
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:23 PM
 
78,013 posts, read 60,221,209 times
Reputation: 49404
Quote:
Originally Posted by lily76 View Post
Agree. In Qing dynasty the country was rich but weak in power. It lost the Opium War and all the following wars till 1945. Paying tons of silver to the western countries and being invaded by the Japanese eventually lead to the country bankruptcy. It was not a poor country before Opium War though the Qing government was heavily corrupted with low efficiency.
That's what happens whenever you concentrate power in the hands of a few. One could easily argue that various post 1945 policies also held them down for decades more, but that goes against party dogma.

Good thing China has learned from that error and the recent moves to consolidate power will end in prosperity...until someone that is more ruthless than competent gets in control.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:27 PM
 
3,573 posts, read 1,165,255 times
Reputation: 374
Quote:
Originally Posted by MinivanDriver View Post
You'd be wrong. Nobody is moving into those empty cities. This is classic waste of money and effort. This video explains it better than most.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SE47Xjx2Q
i just do not listen to US fake news...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:27 PM
 
10,500 posts, read 6,981,908 times
Reputation: 32333
Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Duval View Post
they have thousands of ears of know how managing of big population. Most Chinese are happy and support their government. They are merchants and do not do well in war times.

Actually, China has a terrible track record of managing anything. The history of China over the past several millennia has been one of ongoing civil war, constant jockeying between warlords, and outright genocide. Even now, China has enormous tension between the Han population of the north, the merchant classes in the middle part of the country, and the areas to the south. This is why Hong Kong was such a thorn in Beijing's side, and why the Chinese had such a brutal takeover last year--despite the fact that Hong Kong is where 75% of foreign investment flows through.


I mean, that's the thing. If you look at Chinese history, you quickly realize that the Chinese are short-term thinkers. This is why they've been repeatedly conquered by everyone from the Mongols to the Japanese, despite having an enormous population and ample natural resources. You'd think, after 3500 years of continuous civilization, they'd have been able to send the Europeans packing. But they didn't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:28 PM
 
10,500 posts, read 6,981,908 times
Reputation: 32333
Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Duval View Post
i just do not listen to US fake news...

That YouTube channel isn't American. In other words, you aren't actually interested in any data. You just want to form an opinion based on whatever you read in the Epoch Times or some such nonsense.


How about a Nobel economist? Lester Turow did an analysis of China's growth numbers and found a remarkable problem: China's growth rate was far higher than its growth in electrical production. This is an economic impossibility, given how you have to have some kind of corresponding growth in electrical production to power all the new industrial machinery, housing, computers, lights, and everything else that is required to power an economy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:32 PM
 
34,274 posts, read 19,312,630 times
Reputation: 17256
Chinese military is not a paper tiger as a earlier poster indicates. theyve stolen a TON of tech, and have even managed to develop some of their own The railguns for example on their navy are a combination of European tech they were given legally, and stolen research that they appear to have developed to the point of deployment.

And a naval railgun represents a significant capability.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2021, 06:39 PM
Status: "81 Years, NOT 91 Felonies" (set 1 day ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
5,789 posts, read 3,583,053 times
Reputation: 5687
Do you really think 330 million people are more powerful than 1442 million people? They outnumber us by over 4 to 1, the same ration by which the USA outnumbers Germany. So even with tech a little behind ours, the USA will no longer be #1. We just have to learn how to deal with that fact.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:55 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top