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Old 04-02-2021, 06:42 PM
 
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I had never heard of this Naomi Wolf. But she has been a anti vaxx conspiracy person for at least 6 years. She has pushed all sorts of crazy stuff like ISIS was not that bad and the beheading videos were faked. She is a bit of a nutcase.

The insane conspiracy theories of Naomi Wolf

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/5/690983...iracy-theories


She got punked by a porn star she thought was a doctor:

Anti-Vaxxer Naomi Wolf Posted Fake Quote by Fake Doctor... But Real Adult Film Star

https://www.edgemedianetwork.com/story.php?303218
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Old 04-03-2021, 07:19 AM
 
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I have no opinion on the picture ID required for voting. Never have.

Please tell me how you expect a vaccine passport to prevent you from doing even the most basic things in life. Because that's a stretch.

You really need to do some research. You don't have any idea what is actually going on.


The effort has gained momentum amid President Biden’s pledge that the nation will start to regain normalcy this summer and with a growing number of companies — from cruise lines to sports teams — saying they will require proof of vaccination before opening their doors again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...orts-for-work/


Consider it a fast pass of sorts: A safe and efficient way to return to Broadway theaters, concert halls, sporting arenas, and other big group settings by simply presenting a QR code as proof of either full COVID-19 vaccination or a recent negative test. That’s the idea behind New York’s Excelsior Pass, which launched last Friday, making it the first state to debut a COVID-19 vaccine passport.

The Excelsior Pass allows New Yorkers to upload their official results—from a number of different vaccination sites and labs—into the system to verify that the person holding the pass meets the standards to enter a venue for mass gatherings. Ticket takers, bouncers, and more can then easily check attendees in, without having to look through printed documents and other apps to see whether someone’s negative lab test results are from the last 72 hours or if it’s been two weeks since the final vaccination dose was given.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...ow/ar-BB1ffh25


"You would have a company that would do spot-checking and certainly you can check the card itself and make sure that it looks legitimate," he said.

"'They would be able to verify the health record, they would then encrypt it so people can't steal someone's health record. Although really, all it is is whether you got vaccinated or not and your name and the date it occurred."

Proof of vaccination may be required for people attending concerts or entering restaurants, or for travelling by airplane.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hawa...te-2021-4?op=1
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:19 AM
 
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I don't see how this is remotely legal and not a violation of your right to privacy. It all fits into the Democratic plan, however, to track and control every American citizen. The ACLU should be all over this garbage.

Anyone care to guess what would happen if an illegal alien without this or any other ID got denied to board a plane? All hell would break loose while American citizens suffer.
I agree that it would mean the end to privacy as we know it (kiss HIPPA goodbye, for starters).

However, I think it is about pure, unadulterated greed, as well. Big Pharma lobby = Big bucks at election time.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:25 AM
 
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I don't see how this is remotely legal and not a violation of your right to privacy. It all fits into the Democratic plan, however, to track and control every American citizen. The ACLU should be all over this garbage.

Anyone care to guess what would happen if an illegal alien without this or any other ID got denied to board a plane? All hell would break loose while American citizens suffer.
The ACLU has spoken up about the dangers of vaccine passports.
https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-te...ine-passports/

I think they are not seeing all of the dangers of requiring vaccines but at least they spoke up about some things.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:36 AM
 
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The ACLU has spoken up about the dangers of vaccine passports.
https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-te...ine-passports/

I think they are not seeing all of the dangers of requiring vaccines but at least they spoke up about some things.

"Any proposal for vaccine credentials must be primarily paper-based, decentralized, and protect privacy.."


Bless their hearts if they think that would happen. Maybe in an alternate universe. Like you, I appreciate that they are at least speaking up, though.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:41 AM
 
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You really need to do some research. You don't have any idea what is actually going on.


The effort has gained momentum amid President Biden’s pledge that the nation will start to regain normalcy this summer and with a growing number of companies — from cruise lines to sports teams — saying they will require proof of vaccination before opening their doors again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...orts-for-work/


Consider it a fast pass of sorts: A safe and efficient way to return to Broadway theaters, concert halls, sporting arenas, and other big group settings by simply presenting a QR code as proof of either full COVID-19 vaccination or a recent negative test. That’s the idea behind New York’s Excelsior Pass, which launched last Friday, making it the first state to debut a COVID-19 vaccine passport.

The Excelsior Pass allows New Yorkers to upload their official results—from a number of different vaccination sites and labs—into the system to verify that the person holding the pass meets the standards to enter a venue for mass gatherings. Ticket takers, bouncers, and more can then easily check attendees in, without having to look through printed documents and other apps to see whether someone’s negative lab test results are from the last 72 hours or if it’s been two weeks since the final vaccination dose was given.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...ow/ar-BB1ffh25


"You would have a company that would do spot-checking and certainly you can check the card itself and make sure that it looks legitimate," he said.

"'They would be able to verify the health record, they would then encrypt it so people can't steal someone's health record. Although really, all it is is whether you got vaccinated or not and your name and the date it occurred."

Proof of vaccination may be required for people attending concerts or entering restaurants, or for travelling by airplane.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hawa...te-2021-4?op=1
I have no problem with passports being required to attend concerts, go to theaters, travel, etc., where there are lots of people out and about. I have my doubts that passports will be required for groceries and obtaining basic necessities. I also doubt that there will be a lot of requirements from these companies anyway, except for maybe airlines. There wasn't complete compliance and still isn't for mask mandates.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:41 AM
 
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Totally this. With tons of examples even in the mainstream media. Can't understand how the vaccine passport even get serious discussion anymore when it's clear it has limited effectiveness. Probably even less with each month after the shots, and even less with some of the COVID mutants that studies are showing the vaccines don't even work against.
If this flies, they will probably also require passport updates for the mutants when the vaccines for those become available. And so it begins....
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:47 AM
 
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Some important points in regards to vaccine induced and natural induced immunity. No one who has had Covid should have to get the vaccine yet if they don’t get the vaccine, they can’t get the passport. Very dangerous idea to force this on people.

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"Now the question is, have we done enough to make sure it’s safe in everyone. Are there categories in subset of people in whom this vaccine may actually pose some sort of risk? -- I think the answer to that is yes."

"They delivered an effective vaccine. Now, the safety part of it is what they're making a mistake with: It's a mistake to be vaccinating people who have had recent or current infections."

Noorchashm called for a "logical and rational" approach, considering both natural and vaccine immunity to coronavirus.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sur...dical-approach
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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I have no problem with passports being required to attend concerts, go to theaters, travel, etc., where there are lots of people out and about. I have my doubts that passports will be required for groceries and obtaining basic necessities. I also doubt that there will be a lot of requirements from these companies anyway, except for maybe airlines. There wasn't complete compliance and still isn't for mask mandates.
At $ 15 billion a year, they will find a way to increase 'compliance' (perhaps kickbacks to companies, etc.). Mask mandates were not profitable. There is simply no comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...covid-vaccines
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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At $ 15 billion a year, they will find a way to increase 'compliance' (perhaps kickbacks to companies, etc.). Mask mandates were not profitable. There is simply no comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...covid-vaccines
I'm sure the businesses promoting, get a vaccine, get a free whatever, are also implicated in some sort of kickback.

Companies do not offer freebies unless they get something in return.

let's remember that true pandemics do not need bribery to get people to take "the cure." Get a shot get a donut, pot, whatever. Good dog. Sit. Pat pat pat. Here's your treat.
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