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That's weird, I could count on no fingers the amount of people I saw in America wearing masks pre Covid.
Covid is not the flu. It's dangerous to many people. What about their right to go out in the world?
People are worried about becoming second class citizens because they're voluntarily unvaccinated, and won't be able to participate where vaccinations are required - hypothetically.
Are people that can't go out in a Covid world for health reasons also second class citizens? After all if a large number of people don't vax and also pitch a fit if there are Covid free/vaccinations required places posted, then aren't at risk people still stuck in where they can go and where they can't?
Too bad for them I suppose.
They have always had those concerns. The common cold which there is no vaccine for could end up killing an immune compromised person too. Even a paper cut could be deadly. Being in a hospital is dangerous for them. I know an immune compromised person that got a staph infection and MRSA there. Covid is just "one more thing". There could be something else new and deadly that crops up tomorrow. There are too many things to list that could hurt a person in that condition. Many forms of hepatitis are highly contagious too which is a danger for everyone. It's a huge concern in areas where there are transients and open unregulated drug use.
Speaking of, though OT...people in cities (even small ones like mine) have asked why something can't be done about the public health risks of used needles everywhere. Human feces and urine too. We are told if we want to go out in the world we have to protect ourselves and take precautions to protect our own health. There is nothing they can do about the actions of other people. They have "rights". It's gotten to the point where you can't even tell a transient where they can sleep (even if it's dangerous) It would be illegal to restrict or limit their freedom of movement. In some cases it's quite inhumane IMO. Many are mentally ill and can no longer take care of themselves. Yet you can't even "force" them to take approved medication (nothing experimental in nature) that may benefit them.
Well...other people have rights too. We are in new territory here...this vaccine doesn't even have full FDA approval yet. It should be a voluntary decision at this point if one feels the need for that extra protection.
I repeat, for the vast majority of people covid is not dangerous nor is it fatal.
That is a irrefutable fact.
1. 550k+ are dead in this country. For 2020 there was about 18% increase in deaths compared to the expected number with all the measures in place.
2. There is not enough information yet about the long lasting Covid effects.
3. Now, in terms of irrefutable facts: the virus is extremely contagious.
1. 550k+ are dead in this country. For 2020 there was about 18% increase in deaths compared to the expected number with all the measures in place.
2. There is not enough information yet about the long lasting Covid effects.
3. Now, in terms of irrefutable facts: the virus is extremely contagious.
1. Again, the vast majority of people are not in risk of dying from covid.
2. You know what also can have long term effects? The flu.
3. It's not "extremely" contagious. It's more contagious than the flu and less than the measles.
People are worried about becoming second class citizens because they're voluntarily unvaccinated, and won't be able to participate where vaccinations are required - hypothetically.
Are people that can't go out in a Covid world for health reasons also second class citizens? After all if a large number of people don't vax and also pitch a fit if there are Covid free/vaccinations required places posted, then aren't at risk people still stuck in where they can go and where they can't?
Many of us are beset by risks of various sorts. Not always can something be done about it. And sometimes the remedy is more noxious and oppressive than the risk itself.
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Originally Posted by FinsterRufus
Too bad for them I suppose.
We all have to die some time. For some of us, that might not be for another 40 years. For some, it might be tonight.
1. Again, the vast majority of people are not in risk of dying from covid.
2. You know what also can have long term effects? The flu.
3. It's not "extremely" contagious. It's more contagious than the flu and less than the measles.
1. So only if a vast majority are expected to die, action is necessary?
2. Flu: Much less contagious. Vaccine has been available every year for forever. Antivirals work really well.
3. Measles: Are you familiar with the MMR vaccine? Since 1971 I believe. But yes, limited outbreaks still happen due to idiots.
Many of us are beset by risks of various sorts. Not always can something be done about it. And sometimes the remedy is more noxious and oppressive than the risk itself.
We all have to die some time. For some of us, that might not be for another 40 years. For some, it might be tonight.
You are on to something there. IMO we need to teach people about mortality and acceptance of death. No one talks about that. I include myself as it's not easy. No one seems to prepare anyone for the prospect of unexpected illness either. Yes, we have to responsibly protect ourselves and others, but it got out of control at times. I witnessed a lot of fear based dysfunction these past 13 months. Many were forced to deal with others unhealthy neuroses as a result. Any doctor will agree that mental health is just as important as physical health. Some are forgetting that.
Many of us are beset by risks of various sorts. Not always can something be done about it. And sometimes the remedy is more noxious and oppressive than the risk itself.
We all have to die some time. For some of us, that might not be for another 40 years. For some, it might be tonight.
True. Might as well apply all that logic and fatalism to taking the vaccine then, no? Then everyone can go about their business, and the very small percentage of people that suffer a side effect and die would be one of those who’s time was simply up. If that’s how we’re looking at things.
You are on to something there. IMO we need to teach people about mortality and acceptance of death. No one talks about that. I include myself as it's not easy. No one seems to prepare anyone for the prospect of unexpected illness either. Yes, we have to responsibly protect ourselves and others, but it got out of control at times. I witnessed a lot of fear based dysfunction these past 13 months. Many were forced to deal with others unhealthy neuroses as a result. Any doctor will agree that mental health is just as important as physical health. Some are forgetting that.
A well vaccinated populace would go a long way in mitigation of such dysfunction.
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