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Old 04-13-2021, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Damn good opinion too in my book. All of that happened.
Well, it is not true that a vaccine was developed in 72 hours. The technology was there to do it (the technology that people are claiming is "too rushed") but not a fully developed vaccine in production.

Do you really believe that N95 masks should not have been reserved for healthcare providers treating patients with COVID-19 when there was a shortage of them?

Then,

"THEREFORE; be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee stands in stark defiance of all attempts by government to interfere with the private sector response to COVID19 ... "

Doesn't it follow that the LNC should support that gyms and cruise companies and airlines and people putting on sports and entertainment events should be able to require proof of vaccination (or evidence of antibodies to the virus) in order for folks to patronize their businesses - or work there?
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:06 PM
 
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Well, it is not true that a vaccine was developed in 72 hours. The technology was there to do it (the technology that people are claiming is "too rushed") but not a fully developed vaccine in production.

Do you really believe that N95 masks should not have been reserved for healthcare providers treating patients with COVID-19 when there was a shortage of them?

Then,

"THEREFORE; be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee stands in stark defiance of all attempts by government to interfere with the private sector response to COVID19 ... "

Doesn't it follow that the LNC should support that gyms and cruise companies and airlines and people putting on sports and entertainment events should be able to require proof of vaccination (or evidence of antibodies to the virus) in order for folks to patronize their businesses - or work there?
seems to me these libertarians are not for vaccine passports.

i thought the same thing being a libertarian. yes a business can do what it wants until it invades on privacy or asks for medical information. they cant tell people to drop their pants and bend over. Even businesses have limits. Individual rights trump business rights. there is your answer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRjF_Jm7Vyo

they cant use private businesses as a proxy. some say well facebook is a private buisness but they have huge lobbying power which does change laws. we have to fear the merger of government and corporations. The government tells facebook what to do its obvious they are in bed together. this is why monopolies were not found to be good for Americans even early on in this country.

people have freedom to make decisions for themselves. Stopping people from taking part in society for not taking a medical procedure is not American and should be very obvious.

There is my body my choice to go along with this. Nobody has a right to even coerce you to take a vaccine its no different than a boss threatening women to have sex with him or She will lose her job.

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Old 04-13-2021, 09:21 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Well, it is not true that a vaccine was developed in 72 hours. The technology was there to do it (the technology that people are claiming is "too rushed") but not a fully developed vaccine in production.

Do you really believe that N95 masks should not have been reserved for healthcare providers treating patients with COVID-19 when there was a shortage of them?

Then,

"THEREFORE; be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee stands in stark defiance of all attempts by government to interfere with the private sector response to COVID19 ... "

Doesn't it follow that the LNC should support that gyms and cruise companies and airlines and people putting on sports and entertainment events should be able to require proof of vaccination (or evidence of antibodies to the virus) in order for folks to patronize their businesses - or work there?
I'm not going to argue and debate opinion. It's opinion. Geeze..if you don't like it then just disagree with it and move on.
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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seems to me these libertarians are not for vaccine passports.

i thought the same thing being a libertarian. yes a business can do what it wants until it invades on privacy or asks for medical information. they cant tell people to drop their pants and bend over. even businesses have limits. individual rights trump business rights. there is your answer.
The issue I was addressing is the right of business owners to choose to require evidence of immunity to SARS-CoV-2. The LNC is stating government should not tell businesses what to do. It follows that business should have the right to institute their own, non-government mandated, requirements.

Your answer is to not patronize a business that uses a "passport". You do not have to share your medical information with anyone if you do not wish to do so.
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I'm not going to argue and debate opinion. It's opinion. Geeze..if you don't like it then just disagree with it and move on.
You said "all of that happened". Would you like to revise that statement?
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:30 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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You said "all of that happened". Would you like to revise that statement?
That is my opinion that "all that happened".
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:37 PM
 
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The issue I was addressing is the right of business owners to choose to require evidence of immunity to SARS-CoV-2. The LNC is stating government should not tell businesses what to do. It follows that business should have the right to institute their own, non-government mandated, requirements.

Your answer is to not patronize a business that uses a "passport". You do not have to share your medical information with anyone if you do not wish to do so.
This is a slippery slope and no businesses do not have a right to require evidence that you have immunity. there is a risk of going out in public. They could ask if you have symptoms may be that as far as it should go. this is contagious in terms of business policies and I could see most businesses asking for this then its possible the person is shunned from society. The burden of proof is on the state to prove you are sick. you can not assume people are sick. A business can not assume your sick asking for medical info and then turn you down. lots have made comparisons to nazi Germany.

The government is working with big corporations on vaccine passports. It is well known that Biden is working with businesses to start-up vaccine passports.

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Old 04-13-2021, 09:46 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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This is a slippery slope and no businesses do not have a right to require evidence that you have immunity. there is a risk of going out in public. They could ask if you have symptoms may be that as far as it should go. this is contagious in terms of business policies and I could see most businesses asking for this then its possible the person is shunned from society. The burden of proof is on the state to prove you are sick. you can not assume people are sick. A business can not assume your sick asking for medical info and then turn you down. lots have made comparisons to nazi Germany.
Sure they can and it works on a feared populace. We have history to attest to that.

The Jews carried typhus...all Jews. So all Jews had to wear that yellow star as a "public health risk" so that people could avoid them and not get typhus and die.

And we all know what that turned into and how that ended. But that is how it all started....benign "health risk"
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:06 PM
 
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Sure they can and it works on a feared populace. We have history to attest to that.

The Jews carried typhus...all Jews. So all Jews had to wear that yellow star as a "public health risk" so that people could avoid them and not get typhus and die.

And we all know what that turned into and how that ended. But that is how it all started....benign "health risk"
Ya, that's what I heard recently they asked 100-year-old women how was it so easy for Hitler to convince people to hate the jews and it was the lie he gave that they were sick and contagious.

The easiest way to control people is to take advantage of their fear.
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:07 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Businesses can require vaccine passports but this is America and I'd wager you'd see just as many "vaccine passport not required" signs.
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