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Old 04-02-2021, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The ownership of guns or any type of lethal weaponry has never really been the issue. The real issue is keeping weapons out of the hands of mentally or emotionally unstable and careless and untrained owners.

It is just politically unpopular to make laws concerning those two groups.

I have always thought the best solution is to treat ownership like car ownership. Register, test and permit.

If you are not up to some criminal act and know how to take care of and sensibly use a gun there should be no issue.
Unfortunately criminals don't: "Register, test and permit."

 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:12 AM
 
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The ownership of guns or any type of lethal weaponry has never really been the issue. The real issue is keeping weapons out of the hands of mentally or emotionally unstable and careless and untrained owners.

It is just politically unpopular to make laws concerning those two groups.

I have always thought the best solution is to treat ownership like car ownership. Register, test and permit.

If you are not up to some criminal act and know how to take care of and sensibly use a gun there should be no issue.
Dont you think, if the founding fathers had been concerned with 'gun safety', or the type of people that may own or possess firearms, they would have included specific language to address that aspect into the Constitution/ Bill of Rights?


They SPECIFICALLY stated, 'NO INFRINGEMENT'...that means NO infringements of any kind, (the definition of 'infringement' has not changed over the years).


Imo, this great concern with 'safety' is a deception...Does anyone truly believe our Govt is concerned with the publics safety as it relates to guns? LOL...of course not, its a rational excuse so they can justify SOME infringement (to protect themselves naturally).


Besides that, in the US, freedom and liberty come before 'safety'.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Think of it this way...isnt it a bit suspect when the US Govt attempts to 'infringe/restrict' the legal ownership of the ONE MOST effective tool the public can use to prevent tyranny?!!!


What does this imply about the US Govt?...Think about it folks!
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:49 AM
 
Location: New England
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Any "registry" as a means of gun control only affects law abiding citizens. It was attempted in Canada and failed due the expense of maintaining it and the fact it didn't even solve, let alone prevent any firearm related crimes.

Registration, magazine restrictions, taxes on purchases of firearms or ammunition are all knee jerk "do something" laws which waste money and ultimately do nothing. New York has real registration of handguns. IIRC where the serial number of your handgun is printed on your license. They used to issue additional cards to people who collected arms but as far as I know they stopped that, thereby limiting the number of sidearms you can lawfully own to what can be listed on your license. In addition to this, if you want a sidearm to protect yourself and family you must appear in court to beg permission. At least that's what it was like when I lived there.

Nowadays I live where we have "Constitutional Carry", or Permitless carry with no restrictions or permit required. Surprise ! No blood in the streets. No mass shootings either. Why ? Because criminals know the population is armed and they'll be shot.

Currently there's something like 14 states with Constitutional Carry and more with legislation in favor pending. I'd say it works better than any so-called gun control.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Unfortunately criminals don't: "Register, test and permit."
100%. But how are they getting the ammunition?

There are loopholes that need to be closed concerning buying guns. Nobody wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but something has to be done with the irresponsible owners whose teenagers are getting access to the guns and committing crime.

We have to look at Sandy Hook and Adam Lanza. Red flag number one was the lengthy information he had compiled on mass shooting. His mother knew that her son had some psychiatric issues, yet, guns were all over the house and easily accessible to Adam. I think stricter laws are needed for irresponsible parents that don't properly secure their weapons.

Here's a problem with loopholes.

All federally licensed gun sellers are required to run back ground checks, but no all sellers are required to be licensed and can sell guns at shows. Why?

Anyone can sell a gun over the internet without a license. Why?

How do we know how many licensed sellers there are vs unlicensed? Well we don't know.

So how do we deal with nut jobs and firearms? Irresponsible gun owners who ignore their loved ones mental health issue, yet allow them access to guns? Gang bangers with easy access to guns?

What if we try a different approach and regulate the ammunition? You want bullets? Prove that you passed a background check and have purchased the firearm from a licensed dealer. How about charging anyone that allows a loved one access to guns that kill be charged as well?

What we have now is a dysfunctional system that allows criminals and the mentally ill easy access to guns. That has to change.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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100%. But how are they getting the ammunition?

There are loopholes that need to be closed concerning buying guns. Nobody wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but something has to be done with the irresponsible owners whose teenagers are getting access to the guns and committing crime.

We have to look at Sandy Hook and Adam Lanza. Red flag number one was the lengthy information he had compiled on mass shooting. His mother knew that her son had some psychiatric issues, yet, guns were all over the house and easily accessible to Adam. I think stricter laws are needed for irresponsible parents that don't properly secure their weapons.

Here's a problem with loopholes.

All federally licensed gun sellers are required to run back ground checks, but no all sellers are required to be licensed and can sell guns at shows. Why?

Anyone can sell a gun over the internet without a license. Why?

How do we know how many licensed sellers there are vs unlicensed? Well we don't know.

So how do we deal with nut jobs and firearms? Irresponsible gun owners who ignore their loved ones mental health issue, yet allow them access to guns? Gang bangers with easy access to guns?

What if we try a different approach and regulate the ammunition? You want bullets? Prove that you passed a background check and have purchased the firearm from a licensed dealer. How about charging anyone that allows a loved one access to guns that kill be charged as well?

What we have now is a dysfunctional system that allows criminals and the mentally ill easy access to guns. That has to change.
The same thing will happen if they try to regulate ammo, it will just create a huge black market for ammo then!


The same 'black market' that consistently supplies the nation with drugs and guns! (if they can get so many drugs and guns to their destination, they can probably do the same with ammo too).


Besides that though, Safety can NEVER come before freedom/liberty, (this is America), this country was founded on certain principles, to attempt to change that, would undermine the integrity of the US.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 11:14 AM
 
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Yes --- most Americans don't want to ban all guns.

Many Americans want more controls and many fight against it for various reasons.

But yeah -- this is nothing new.

I don't want to own a gun but I will live where guns are legal.

I do now.

LOL.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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When a law abiding gun owner uses their weapon for self defense or in defense of someone else, they go through hell for years fighting the court system. Even if the didn't fire the weapon. In most cases they lose their weapon, permit to carry and a lot of money.


When a gang banger uses a gun to shoot an innocent bystander or someone sitting on their porch, they get arrested, bailed out in a short time, get another illegal gun and repeat. Some have pages of arrests. They don't pay a penny, and don't worry about having a permit, etc.


THAT's the problem ! A million new laws won't change that.


When's the last time you saw a gang banger's trial on TV day after day for shooting a kid or another innocent person ?
But when the police shoot a criminal, they lose their job, stand trails that last years and bankrupt them. No cry from the anti-gunners about that.


Where was the demand from the anti-gunners to prosecute the BLM rioters, looters and killers ? I don't recall one outburst from them.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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It was funny the other day. My wife and I were out for a hike with a friend that is gay and an uber Democrat, he hates Trump, and is a borderline socialist and he wowed both of us when he admitted that if he lived in such a remote area that we were hiking in he would buy a gun. I know crazy. Maybe there is hope for America and the most important amendment to the Constitution after all ??


I think people are finally understanding that there sometimes is a need for a gun to protect yourself. we have seen riots, we have seen violence in the streets, we have seen criminals caught, let go and allowed to run the streets, we have seen Police attacked both physically and by our elected officials that seek to disband, defund and make them responsible if some criminal gets a bruise while trying to evade capture.



We have seen criminals be hoisted above their victims.

We have seen Police back off from getting hurt and sued.

We have seen the Government create dangerous situations and allow them to fester.



What alternative does a sane person have but to watch out for themselves by getting a gun?
 
Old 04-02-2021, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Here would be another advantage of a registry:

Currently, every time you buy a gun, you need to go through a background check. If you buy a gun today, you need to go through a background check. Then if you want to buy another one next month or next year, you need to go through another background check.

With a licensing system and registry, once you have a gun ownership license, you do not need to go through any additional background checks. You would just go into a gun store, show them your license, and you can buy whatever you want right away. Frankly, it would eliminate the need for background checks altogether, because the process of screening out people when they apply for a license would replace background checks for individual purchases.
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