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Old 04-03-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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People don’t understand what is going on in the region. Iranian backed rebels have fired a lot of ordinance across the Yemen border. They’ve even damaged Saudi oil infrastructure many times as well.

So there is this active threat going on, and they divert defensive assets for some existential threat that may exist elsewhere? Since the Biden administration never explains themselves, and state run MSM media refuses to call them on anything, we are just left out here wondering why they are doing what they are doing.

I’ll tell you one thing, they won’t be able to pin this on Trump if the situation deteriorates.
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Old 04-03-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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Trump removed US troops and US antimissile batteries from Saudi Arabia in May 2020. Below is news when Trump was president:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...om-middle-east

May 7, 2020

The U.S. has removed two of its four Patriot antimissile batteries from Saudi Arabia and another two in the Mideast partly because tensions with Iran have eased from a peak earlier this year..In addition ... rotation of U.S. fighter squadrons means there has been a net loss of two 12-aircraft units in the Mideast...Donald Trump has long called for troop reductions in the Mideast...

“Well, I don’t want to talk about it but we’re doing some things,” Trump said on Thursday when asked about the decision to remove the Patriot batteries. “We’re making a lot of moves, in the Middle East and elsewhere. We’re doing a lot of things all over the world militarily.”
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Old 04-03-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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The simple fact is that Saudi Arabia has still funded more terrorism against the USA, likely because their branch of Islam seems more fundamentalist (ISIS largely came from the same branch). The Iran branch of Islam is more realistic, which is why a greater percentage of the Iranian people do not hate America and do support science and western values, than is the case in Saudi Arabia. So while the current political leadership of Iran has serious problems, the nation of Iran is not beyond hope.
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Old 04-03-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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Trump supporters never fail to amaze me with their logical inconsistencies. Trump liked Saudi Arabia and Russia so those countries are good and we shouldn’t antagonize them in any way. Trump disliked (or pretended to at least) Iran and China so we should bring the hammer down on them. And I call BS on the “Trump as a man of peace” nonsense. We were close to war with Venezuela and Iran and if Trump had decided to send in troops or otherwise try to effect regime change there, I suspect his supporters would have been the first ones out waving flags and mindlessly chanting “U.S.A, U.S.A. ....”
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Old 04-03-2021, 10:07 AM
 
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Here's another idea, how about maybe we take neither side in the Middle East, pull all our troops out of there and stop wasting trillions upon trillions of dollars in that money pit and permanent war zone, and take care of our own problems at home? Maybe use all those soldiers in the Middle East to defend our own borders in the USA? I can't figure out why anyone in the US, Democrat or Republican would see any "interest" we have in that eternal mess of a region that's done nothing but suck out American blood and treasure for decades. They've been going war with each other for the past 2,000 years and they'll be going to war with each other for the next 2,000 years too, so why are US leaders so stupid to insert ourselves right in the middle of that hornet's nest? Every single war we've fought in the Middle East has been a disaster and made things worse. We got rid of Mohamed Mossadek, Iran's elected leader, to replace him with the Shah back in the mid 1950's back when Iran was a budding ally with the US and almost all Iranians were pro-American, all because Winston Churchill in the UK wanted Iran's oil and we were stupid enough to get suckered in (and then sucker Churchill out of the oil and take it for ourselves, but thats another story). Our "reward" for this stupidity was the Iranian Revolution. Then we supported Saddam Hussein in Iran Iraq War, we put our own troops in Lebanon as unrest continued and got 250 of our Marines killed in the 1980's barracks bombing as part of the blowback. We supported the al-Qaida in Afghanistan against the Soviets, turned against Saddam in first gulf War and got 9/11 attacks as our 'reward". Then we wound up back in Iraq again in 2003 with the British, spent trillions of dollars futilely fighting an insurgency with our "reward" creating ISIS and unleashing a new wave of terrorist attacks, with Iran taking control of Iraq with Saddam out of the way. Then we supported the "moderate" rebels in Libya and Syria after the Arab spring, who turned out to be "moderate" headchoppers of women and children, and our "reward" was yet another terrorist and refugee wave. Oh and another funny thing about all this? Most of the 9/11 hijackers who attacked the USA on September 11, 2001 were from our "ally" Saudi Arabia, which has been the main troublemaker in the region to begin with, and not a single one from Iraq, which was the country we went to war with.

See the pattern here? The United States has spent something like $10 trillion on dumb, wasteful wars in the Middle East since the 1950's, the USA has been defeated in most of those wars (Lebanon, Iraq, Tehran embassy operation) and in fact, virtually every one of those operations and wars have made things even worse-- stupidly supporting extremists, worsening terrorism and launching refugees. Blowback over and over. Those al-Qaida fighters we supported in Afghanistan under the Soviets, including Osama bin Laden, wound up turning on us with the 9/11 attacks. That mass shooter in Boulder Colorado last week who killed 10 Americans in a shopping center? Know what his name was? Ahmad Alissa, and he was a Syrian refugee who came over to the USA as a result of the civil war that the US supported to try oust Assad in favor of the "moderate rebels". Every single intervention and "support" the US gives in the Middle East has led to complete disaster since the 1950's, including of our "allies" the Saudis, has cost the USA trillions of dollars, gotten the US defeated and left us nothing to show for it. This has to be the most disastrous stupid foreign policy in history. What's that definition of insanity again? Doing the same stupid thing over and over expecting different result? Only other case I can think of is the British in the 1800's who went into Afghanistan, got their whole army slaughtered there in the 1850's or something and then, went in there again and again to get slaughtered two more times when the Afghans defeated the British in two more wars. And then started this whole mess in Iraq themselves in the 1920's only to get slaughtered by the natives yet again.

Again, why the hell is the USA in the Middle East at all? Why are we allying with anyone? It's not in our backyard, the region is literally half a world away. We have enough problems back at home, and the deficits and national debts caused by the $10 trillion the USA has wasted in Middle Eastern wars is a big contributor to our looming financial disasters, with the massive national debt, creeping inflation and raising interest rates in the bond market. How about we stay neutral, let the Middle Easterners keep going to way against each other as they've done for thousands of years and instead, use all that money and manpower to fix our problems at home?
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Old 04-03-2021, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I largely agree, we sometimes have to address things like ISIS that are so heinous they call for a global response, but on the whole we really shouldn’t be involved in the Middle East. The Sunnis will always be fighting the Shia, the Muslims will always be fighting the Jews. The Jews will always be fighting the Arabs. The conflict never ends in that region.
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