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Old 04-08-2021, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why?

What's the point beyond doing some type of study?

Pre Covid, the general public never got tested for the flu because there was no reason.....even if you test positive, what's the point?.

It not like doctors can do anything about it.

Even now, if people test negative for Covid, they don't run out and get another test to see if they have the flu.


The fact that the CDC does some type of testing for the flu in order to try to collect data doesn't mean that the general public gets flu tests the way they've been getting Covid tests.
The point of testing for flu is that there are antiviral medications for it.

The CDC data is from people who went to doctors with flu like symptoms. CDC did not drag people off the street to be randomly tested.

You are not comprehending what cjseliga has told you: both tests are being done at the same time.

Pre-COVID, people with flu symptoms also routinely got tested for flu. It can be done in your PCP's office.

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Real reason:. Lots of other illnesses and deaths are being logged as "COVID" to keep the public scared and compliant
Nope. The diagnosis of COVID-19 requires a positive test, which is specific for SARS-CoV-2, and symptoms and other test results consistent with the disease caused by the virus: COVID-19. A presumptive diagnosis could be made in the absence of a test early in the course of the pandemic when testing was not always available.
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Old 04-08-2021, 02:59 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Real reason:. Lots of other illnesses and deaths are being logged as "COVID" to keep the public scared and compliant
But they do fix their mistakes...like the guy in Florida who died from a gunshot to the head. It wasn't covid but it took some journalists questioning deaths, looking over death certificates and then publishing stories for the local government to make the changes.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:00 PM
 
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The point of testing for flu is that there are antiviral medications for it.

The CDC data is from people who went to doctors with flu like symptoms. CDC did not drag people off the street to be randomly tested.

You are not comprehending what cjseliga has told you: both tests are being done at the same time.

Pre-COVID, people with flu symptoms also routinely got tested for flu. It can be done in your PCP's office.



Nope. The diagnosis of COVID-19 requires a positive test, which is specific for SARS-CoV-2, and symptoms and other test results consistent with the disease caused by the virus: COVID-19. A presumptive diagnosis could be made in the absence of a test early in the course of the pandemic when testing was not always available.
Both tests are rarely being done at the same time. Let’s get real already.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:05 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Nope. The diagnosis of COVID-19 requires a positive test, which is specific for SARS-CoV-2, and symptoms and other test results consistent with the disease caused by the virus: COVID-19. A presumptive diagnosis could be made in the absence of a test early in the course of the pandemic when testing was not always available.
Several states were called out on false labeling of deaths..FL and WA were two.
There was testing last summer.

They all died from something but it wasn't covid. They tested positive though so they got counted as covid deaths.


Here's one from FL from last summer.

A gunshot to the head killed one guy...not covid.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-...m-beach-county
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Both tests are rarely being done at the same time. Let’s get real already.
Then why are all these tests approved and available?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...detection.html
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:10 PM
 
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"In New York State for the most current week, laboratories tested 40,769 specimens for influenza, of which 99 (0.2%) were positive, a 13% decrease over the previous week, according to the New York State Department of Health. The number of patients hospitalized with influenza was 17, a 31% increase over the previous week."

Georgia, as of March 14, had done almost 46,000 tests with almost 9,000 positive. Cannot do the linky thing because it's a PDF that includes my name in the file address. You may Google it for yourself if you wish.
So one state only gets .2% positive, the other state gets almost 20% positive. How did NYS doctors misdiagnose SO MANY people? What did the 99.8% of those negative for flu have?

That's a lot of wasted tests.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Several states were called out on false labeling of deaths..FL and WA were two.
There was testing last summer.

They all died from something but it wasn't covid. They tested positive though so they got counted as covid deaths.


Here's one from FL from last summer.

A gunshot to the head killed one guy...not covid.
Outliers, found and fixed.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:13 PM
 
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Then why are all these tests approved and available?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...detection.html
From your link above.
*The CDC-manufactured Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay is designed for use at CDC-supported public health laboratories and will not replace any SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic tests currently used in commercial laboratories, hospitals, clinics, and other healthcare settings.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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From your link above.
*The CDC-manufactured Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay is designed for use at CDC-supported public health laboratories and will not replace any SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic tests currently used in commercial laboratories, hospitals, clinics, and other healthcare settings.
They are all commercially available except the last one in the list.

Here is the one by Roche, for example:

https://www.cardinalhealth.com/en/cm...ars-cov-2.html

"In the United States (US), testing with cobas® SARS-CoV-2 & Influenza A/B is authorized for laboratories certified under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 (CLIA), 42 U.S.C. §263a, to perform moderate or high complexity tests. cobas® SARS-CoV-2 & Influenza A/B is also authorized for use at the Point of Care (POC), i.e., in patient care settings operating under a CLIA Certificate of Waiver, Certificate of Compliance, or Certificate of Accreditation. Testing facilities within the U.S. and its territories are required to report all SARS-CoV-2 results to the appropriate public health authorities. In the U.S., cobas® SARS-CoV-2 & Influenza A/B is only for use under the Food and Drug Administration’s Emergency Use Authorization."


"Point of Care" means in the office, but the cost of the machine is high enough that it would need to be a clinic large enough to justify the cost.
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:24 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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So one state only gets .2% positive, the other state gets almost 20% positive. How did NYS doctors misdiagnose SO MANY people? What did the 99.8% of those negative for flu have?

That's a lot of wasted tests.
From what I've read the rapid flu test (cheaper) is only 50-70% accurate.
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