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Old 04-07-2021, 06:33 PM
 
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My pointing out that that Navalny was not even allowed to run was to illustrate Putin’s status as an autocrat (no one with even at outside chance to defeat him allowed on the ballot). I didn’t say however that I felt Navalny would defeat Putin had he been allowed to run. I admit good chance that would not have happened (for multiple reasons).
According to Russian law, convicted criminals cannot run for the office.

Navalny is convicted thief - twice. He was on parole after first conviction. He was finally put in jail only after he broke conditions of his parole for a second conviction.

What really raises a question - why he was not sent to jail right after his second conviction. This is really amusing part - never before criminal on parole was left free after second conviction.

So, your "illustration" fails.
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:35 PM
 
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My pointing out that that Navalny was not even allowed to run was to illustrate Putin’s status as an autocrat (no one with even at outside chance to defeat him allowed on the ballot). I didn’t say however that I felt Navalny would defeat Putin had he been allowed to run. I admit good chance that would not have happened (for multiple reasons).
Putin IS an autocrat - no doubt, but Navalny does not have as much of support (as an alternative,) as some would like to believe, yes.
That's irrespective of whether Putin allows him to run or not.
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:35 PM
 
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Vladimir Putin has rewritten the term limits for his position, once again, positioning him to rule until at least 2036, if he so chooses. Like Xi Jinping in China, he is effectively on a path to rule for life. This is where leftism leads - to this.
I got news for you - Putin is no leftist. He is an authoritarian dictator. And a good friend of Donald Trump.

Who by the way, also wanted to keep his office even though he lost the election. This is where right wing fascist authoritarianism leads: to dictatorship/
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:47 PM
 
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After FDR did that, we decided that we wouldn’t be having any more of that here.
FDR didn't actually do that. After his second term, in 1940, he actually refused to announce his candidacy for a third term. The Democratic Party, afraid they didn't have any other winning candidates, drafted FDR at the convention. By 1944, we were deep into WWII and people didn't want to change horses.

There were no term limits at the time, and free elections were held, so I don't find it fair to accuse FDR of declaring himself President for life.
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Old 04-07-2021, 06:56 PM
 
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I got news for you - Putin is no leftist. He is an authoritarian dictator. And a good friend of Donald Trump.

Who by the way, also wanted to keep his office even though he lost the election. This is where right wing fascist authoritarianism leads: to dictatorship/
Leftism IS centralized authoritarianism. All of the promises associated with "socialism" are just the marketing speil to the rubes for the purpose of convincing them to give them control over everything.

There is literally nothing they will not and in fact do not promise, including utopia, free stuff galore, and also absurd propositions like "equity," "equality" and "social justice".

We have watched the process play out repeatedly in different nations and different parts of the world over the last 100 years. They do not deliver on these promises. But what they ALL do deliver, is authoritarianism, oppression, misery and suffering.

The Russians under Stalin, the Germans under Hitler and the Chinese under Mao are three excellent examples of this process. And this is what the Democrat left agenda is rapidly transforming us into here.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:13 PM
 
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Vladimir Putin has rewritten the term limits for his position, once again, positioning him to rule until at least 2036, if he so chooses. Like Xi Jinping in China, he is effectively on a path to rule for life. This is where leftism leads - to this.
Wait? What? Trump's best friend is a leftist? You guys have GOT to stop with the gaslighting and disinfo campaign. It's making my head hurt.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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FDR didn't actually do that. After his second term, in 1940, he actually refused to announce his candidacy for a third term. The Democratic Party, afraid they didn't have any other winning candidates, drafted FDR at the convention. By 1944, we were deep into WWII and people didn't want to change horses.

There were no term limits at the time, and free elections were held, so I don't find it fair to accuse FDR of declaring himself President for life.
I didn’t say his declaration was publicly announced.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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According to Russian law
Your post is basically the equivalent of you believing Caesar Augustus when he’s telling you that he’s refusing the dictatorship.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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Wait? What? Trump's best friend is a leftist? You guys have GOT to stop with the gaslighting and disinfo campaign. It's making my head hurt.
There is a difference between leftists after they have done away with the accountability of free and fair elections, and those who are still in the process of working towards that goal.

The difference is that those leftist leaders who still have to deal with real opponents, a free and responsible press, and voters who are always open to voting for someone they think will serve their interests better are very aggressive about promising the people literally ANYTHING that they think will convince those voters to vote for them. Those leftist leaders who have graduated beyond that, such as Vladimir Putin, no longer bother with that sort of nonsense.

What they both have in common is that they are obsessed with establishing complete and total control over the lives of the people that they rule.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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There is a difference between leftists after they have done away with the accountability of free and fair elections, and those who are still in the process of working towards that goal.

The difference is that those leftist leaders who still have to deal with real opponents, a free and responsible press, and voters who are always open to voting for someone they think will serve their interests better are very aggressive about promising the people literally ANYTHING that they think will convince those voters to vote for them. Those leftist leaders who have graduated beyond that, such as Vladimir Putin, no longer bother with that sort of nonsense.

What they both have in common is that they are obsessed with establishing complete and total control over the lives of the people that they rule.
Putin is far right, not left.

Case in point, his crackdown on LGBT.
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