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Old 04-07-2021, 09:51 PM
 
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so pilots won't be hired based primarily in merit?

yes or no.
Pilots will be hired primarily on merit. That's exactly how Aviate works.

 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:52 PM
 
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I never cared about race or gender and still dont. I care that standards tend to be lowered for quota programs.
Right. And since no standards are being lowered for a quota program, it's a non-issue.

You're taking the bait of people who can't read or don't understand the Aviate program.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:53 PM
 
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What this comes down to is that a more diverse pool is being given an opportunity to train to be a pilot, but only those who pass (regardless of race or sex) will get a job.
So let's say they select well, and all who enter, pass the course. Sure everyone who passes has met the requirements, that is, the minimum standard, but there will be a spread of achievement within that cohort.

You think from that point it should be based on merit, or should the diversity targets still form part of the process.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:54 PM
 
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Pilots will be hired primarily on merit. That's exactly how Aviate works.
But they aren't admitted to Aviate solely on merit. They're admitted on the basis of a certain number of them being women or POC. Maybe their training program is such that it will iron out the differences in talent and aptitude, so that the graduates are all equally qualified. Let's hope so, anyway.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:54 PM
 
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But they aren't admitted to Aviate solely on merit. They're admitted on the basis of a certain number of them being women or POC.
They're going to discriminate against accepting white candidates for aviation training. That's how all diversity programs everywhere work by discrimination based on race or identity. Equal or more qualified whites will be discriminated against to make room for more less qualified non-whites.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:54 PM
 
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Only admitting to training.
No, not just admitting to training. They're pledging to train them.

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we plan for 50% of the 5,000 pilots we train in the next decade to be women or people of color.
That can only be read as a promise that half the trained pilots coming out of their program will be diverse. So if the diverse drop out at much higher rates, as seems likely, then the admittees will need to be significantly more than 50% diverse.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:56 PM
 
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So let's say they select well, and all who enter, pass the course. Sure everyone who passes has met the requirements, that is, the minimum standard, but there will be a spread of achievement within that cohort.

You think from that point it should be based on merit, or should the diversity targets still form part of the process.
The Aviate program as it stands only considers merit for passing. Most don't pass.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 09:57 PM
 
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But they aren't admitted to Aviate solely on merit. They're admitted on the basis of a certain number of them being women or POC. Maybe their training program is such that it will iron out the differences in talent and aptitude, so that the graduates are all equally qualified. Let's hope so, anyway.
Not sure what the issue is here. We want the best talent from their program to get hired. That's what's happening... based on how Aviate currently works.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 10:00 PM
 
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No, not just admitting to training. They're pledging to train them.


That can only be read as a promise that half the trained pilots coming out of their program will be diverse.
Exactly which means they will discriminate against white males having equal opportunity to become an UA pilot. No matter how some sugar coat the turd, that's essentially how all diversity programs essentially work by discriminating not on merit or suitability but based on race/sex against whites , males and in some cases Asians.
 
Old 04-07-2021, 10:00 PM
 
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They're going to discriminate against accepting white candidates for aviation training. That's how all diversity programs everywhere work by discrimination based on race or identity. Equal or more qualified whites will be discriminated against to make room for more less qualified non-whites.
It's interesting that you focused on race and race only when the program includes women as well... which the majority of in the US are, themselves, white.

There's no big-government laws (thank god) preventing private companies from choosing how to accept candidates to train. What matters is that anyone hired is hired based on merit and their performance in the program.
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