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Old 04-07-2021, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Reading the comments since my earlier posting I still say good for Arkansas but I also wonder how the heck did we get to this point where the state has to step in to protect kids from life changing surgeries? Where are the parents that can put their foot down and stop the insanity?



Kids today are more confused then ever. When I was a kid we never thought about changing our sex, did you?


We should wonder if the tiny fraction of people that have felt they were born into the wrong body has always been a constant or since it has now become more mainstream and acceptable we have more people coming out because they are confused or going through a phase? Teenagers do go through phases in their lives and it is the parents responsibility to provide guidance but it seems that these days the kids are learning their "life lessons" from social media, pop culture and woke movements.



All kids need guidance NOT life altering surgeries and parents need to step up and be allowed to say no.
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Old 04-07-2021, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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The point is that less than 0.5% of people are truly transgendered, and of those that have surgery to change their (apparent) sex, hundreds later regret that choice. (Studies disagree as to the percentage of those who regret it.)

However, if an ADULT makes a decision to change their sex, that is on them. But for a parent to make a decision to allow a young child to allow surgery to change their sex is just wrong, imo. I can't even imagine the psychological harm that could result if the wrong decision was made.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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The point is that less than 0.5% of people are truly transgendered, and of those that have surgery to change their (apparent) sex, hundreds later regret that choice. (Studies disagree as to the percentage of those who regret it.)

However, if an ADULT makes a decision to change their sex, that is on them. But for a parent to make a decision to allow a young child to allow surgery to change their sex is just wrong, imo. I can't even imagine the psychological harm that could result if the wrong decision was made.

Yes, I do think waiting until adulthood is the right thing to do because of this. There are a lot of very serious consequences of making this decision as a teen and then later regretting it.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Default Arkansas governor vetoes bill that would stop chemical castration of minors


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Hry1rJn7w

Does it make sense to chemically castrate children, do they have any clue what they are doing or what they want?

I don't trust parents eager to make this change. They are turning gender into a commercial choice. Be whoever you want to be, if you are unsatisfied with your gender then choose differently.

What these people don't understand that sometimes you just have to suck it up and live with the cards dealt to you.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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I would like to see the actual bill. It sounds like it bans things like puberty blockers and hormones which do have lasting impacts. I didn’t see anything in the news about it banning language such as referring to someone by their preferred pronouns.
It’s a seperate bill. And it’s specifically about not being allowed to require teachers to use the pronouns should they decide they don’t want to. Which I can tell you from experience is really hurtful to a kid.

And yes, the bill that just passed does ban those treatments. Which are treatments between a doctor and their patient. Puberty blockers and hormone treatments are for medical professionals to recommend or otherwise, not for legislators and lay people, who haven’t been professionally trained and are arguing agonist something they likely know bugger all about.

The American Academy of Pediatrics is opposed to the bill. As are many other medical orgs. They believe it will do more harm than not.

I’m actually quite surprised you think it’s ok for government to interfere here.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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The point is that less than 0.5% of people are truly transgendered, and of those that have surgery to change their (apparent) sex, hundreds later regret that choice. (Studies disagree as to the percentage of those who regret it.)

However, if an ADULT makes a decision to change their sex, that is on them. But for a parent to make a decision to allow a young child to allow surgery to change their sex is just wrong, imo. I can't even imagine the psychological harm that could result if the wrong decision was made.
Parents do not make decisions for a YOUNG CHILD to have gender reassignment surgery.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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From the below link, quote, my italics:

"Arkansas’s legislature outlawed surgery and other gender-confirming treatments for transgender youth, after state lawmakers on Tuesday overrode the governor’s veto of a bill earlier this week.

"The legislation prohibits doctors from providing gender-transition treatment, including surgery and hormone therapy, to people under 18 years old. The measure doesn’t contain an exemption for transgender patients already receiving treatment.

"Senate sponsor Alan Clark, a Republican, said his heart went out to children who are “confused about what gender they may be,” but that gender-transition treatment isn’t appropriate for minors."
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/arkansa...rs-11617744915

Good for them!
Good for them. Genital mutilation is wrong.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:26 AM
 
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Yes, I do think waiting until adulthood is the right thing to do because of this. There are a lot of very serious consequences of making this decision as a teen and then later regretting it.
That’s fine. You’re entitled to that opinion and if it was my child I would strongly suggest they wait - teens are not generally actually getting surgery, though.

But this is about the government not allowing a choice, in any treatments. Is that ok?
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:27 AM
 
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Good for them. Genital mutilation is wrong.
You’re against circumcision, then. Good.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:30 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Arkansas bans gender-transition treatment for minors
AKA: Arkansas bans Dr. Josef Mengele medical experimentation on children.
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