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Old 04-09-2021, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Liberals are alarmingly quiet now that they see what one of Joe's "promises" look like.

Ghost guns and pistol braces? Wow. Southside Chicago is getting safer by the hour.
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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A few years ago maybe even longer ATF approved what was called a brace so manufactures could make AR-15 pistols. These had a short barrel and what was called a brace. They were suppose to be used like this as demoed in this video, but people just shoulder them like a rifle. It's not going to be a big effort for Biden to get these banned. I was under the impression that the Colorado shooter was using a braced AR pistol. The NFA laws already force registration of SBR it's only a matter having ATF rule that the brace is not used as it was intended to be used and the brace is considered a SBR everyone will have to remove them, or register. Due to the fact that they can be registered unlike the bump stock I'm assuming that is what some will do just register put stocks on them.

Hmmmm,

what's the accuracy of this thing?

Personally, I never paid that much attention to them (though I have been in the vicinity of one). Looking at the video, it brings to mind of why one doesn't wrap their finger around the trigger but only uses the finger tip. That is, to do the former, activates the muscles in the forearm and can pull one of target.

Does this thing transfer action in the forearm to the aiming of the gun?

All said, if it does, it brings interesting things to the table, such as....."better marksmanship through the government elimination of things that cause poor marksmanship"?

Unfortunately, it also puts me in their boat, since I know their regulations are not about safety but disarming, and makes me feel a little bit like a Fudd. I am judging on something that should not be infringed even if I see no practical purpose.

But, at the very least, I know I won't miss it. There would be no hurt feelings......if I could trust them to stop there...............WHICH I DON'T!
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Old 04-09-2021, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Well, it shouldnt be a HUGE surprise to anyone that career politicians are corrupt and use their power to benefit themselves, family and friends, this is just the way it is in the US today.


I dont blame the politicians for this...its actually our fault, (American citizens), for we have allowed this to go on for so long...our founding documents provide all that is needed to stop this...but the catch is, people must step up, band together in large numbers to do it.
Unfortunately it is what it is. I don't see it changing anytime soon unless people smarten up and fully understand why this country was founded as a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. It's gotten to the point where there are just too many "takers" and not enough "makers". The "takers" will vote for whomever promises them the most from the "makers". In order for one political party to maintain their power structure they need to import even more "takers" from third world nations that they can enslave and condemn to a life of poverty and despair. For the newly imported "takers" conditions of poverty and despair here are a lot better than where they originally came from. Once they're here and the government provides for them their everyday needs they demand even more and there are just too many politicians that are willing to give it to them. This ***t's been going on for decades, we've passed the point of no return.

The newly imported "takers" have absolutely no knowledge of American history or the principles of which this country was originally founded on. They can be easily manipulated into believing that this country is a Democracy (mob rule). That as long as they are in the majority they can get whatever they want by sheer force of numbers. All they know and care about is whether they will be fed, clothed, housed and their medical needs taken care of courtesy of the American taxpayer. Some will find low wage jobs at the expense of the American labor force. Many will pay very little if any taxes at all while still receiving government assistance.

Anyone that speaks up against this will be labeled as a cruel, heartless, racist and any other derogatory name that the wealthy Democrat oligarchs and their elected officials can come up with. Along with an out of control media that is nothing more than the propaganda arm for the Democrat Party. Of course it doesn't affect their lives as you won't ever see them living out of a cardboard box, defecating in the streets and scrounging through garbage cans for food. It may not happen in the next few decades but we are on our way to becoming a third world nation that's no better than the one's that the illegal invaders have fled.

This nation can not survive as long as we've become a multicultural nation ruled by oligarchs and their stooges in the media. Joseph R. Biden upon taking office claimed that the end of America first policies are over. He's already enriched the lives of himself and his family through shady dealings with foreign oligarchs. How the hell did his drug addicted son get so wealthy? How much did "The Big Guy" receive because of that? But it doesn't matter to the Joseph R. Biden's of this country as the downfall of the United States will never affect their lives. Just as it never affects the lives of those who rule over the poorest nations of the world.

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The End of ‘America First’: How Biden Says He Will Re-engage ...
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Nov 09, 2020 · The End of ‘America First’: How Biden Says He Will Re-engage With the World Those who have known President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. for decades say they expect him to move carefully ...
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity . . . . What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving . . . . The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else . . . .. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation . . . .You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." - Adrian Rogers, 1931
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In a Democracy, the majority rules. If the majority decided they wanted your bike, they could take it. In a Republic, the bike is your property and you do not owe it to anyone. It cannot be taken against your will, by law. America is a Constitutional Republic. Therefore, the Constitution is the law by which we are supposed to be protected. In a Republic, the individual is protected FROM the majority, by the Constitutional law. A Constitutional Republic is what we were given. It is up to us to KEEP it.
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There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state. This is what the Democrat Party represents and advocates for:

1 Healthcare—control healthcare and you control the people
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2 Poverty—increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live
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3 Debt—increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4 Gun control—Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.


5 Welfare—Take control of every aspect of their lives. (food, housing, income)


6 Education—Take control of what people read and listen to–take control of what children learn in school.


7 Religion—Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools.


8 Class warfare—Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
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Old 04-09-2021, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Hmmmm,

what's the accuracy of this thing?

Personally, I never paid that much attention to them (though I have been in the vicinity of one). Looking at the video, it brings to mind of why one doesn't wrap their finger around the trigger but only uses the finger tip. That is, to do the former, activates the muscles in the forearm and can pull one of target.

Does this thing transfer action in the forearm to the aiming of the gun?

All said, if it does, it brings interesting things to the table, such as....."better marksmanship through the government elimination of things that cause poor marksmanship"?

Unfortunately, it also puts me in their boat, since I know their regulations are not about safety but disarming, and makes me feel a little bit like a Fudd. I am judging on something that should not be infringed even if I see no practical purpose.

But, at the very least, I know I won't miss it. There would be no hurt feelings......if I could trust them to stop there...............WHICH I DON'T!
Me either. We already have thousands of laws against every conceivable criminal act that one could possibly imagine. Laws against the possession of inanimate objects do not prevent the criminal misuse of them as there are God only knows how many of them out there. Guns, knives, clubs, baseball bats, hatchets, steel or lead pipes, vehicles, flammable liquids, household chemicals, fertilizer, box cutters just use your imagination. Why just single out guns? Laws only serve to provide a method of punishment for those who break them. Good people don't need them and bad people will never follow them.

87 people in the Happyland Fire in 1996 were killed with nothing more than a dollars worth of gasoline at the time, a container and a match or lighter. That's 28 more than what Paddock killed with a bunch of AR 15's equipped with bump stocks, thousands of rounds of ammunition, and firing into a crowd of thousands from a hotel window.

Unfortunately they will not stop with AR pistols. Anyone who owns a gun other than those are fooling themselves into submission if they think that they are safe from these anti 2nd Amendment zealots. These people will never be satisfied until the 2nd Amendment has been eradicated, a thing of the past and there is complete civilian disarmament. If you wish to hunt you can use a bow and arrow. Defend yourself? Call the police that's what they're there for and payed for. Oh that's right the police have been defunded? How about say your prayers?

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"The law has been used to destroy it's own objective; It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which it's real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense." "But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman

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Old 04-09-2021, 04:05 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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But, at the very least, I know I won't miss it. There would be no hurt feelings......if I could trust them to stop there...............WHICH I DON'T!
I have three. Under the possibilities would be having to register them and likely have to pay a $200 tax on each - for something I purchased legally and which have never threatened or harmed anyone. Plus should they (whoever "they" may be at the moment) decide these are just too much for anyone to keep, they would know which door to knock on. This would just be the camel's nose under the tent as they next decide what else should be registered/taxed or someday taken. All for the public good, ya' know!

The current "they" want to bring California type restrictions to the rest of the nation. This is the opening shot.
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Old 04-09-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I have three. Under the possibilities would be having to register them and likely have to pay a $200 tax on each - for something I purchased legally and which have never threatened or harmed anyone. Plus should they (whoever "they" may be at the moment) decide these are just too much for anyone to keep, they would know which door to knock on. This would just be the camel's nose under the tent as they next decide what else should be registered/taxed or someday taken. All for the public good, ya' know!

The current "they" want to bring California type restrictions to the rest of the nation. This is the opening shot.
Like I said, I don't trust them.
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..........If you wish to hunt you can use a bow and arrow. .......
You ought to see what they say about a girl friend who hunts with a bow and arrow!
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Old 04-09-2021, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Me either. We already have thousands of laws against every conceivable criminal act that one could possibly imagine. Laws against the possession of inanimate objects do not prevent the criminal misuse of them as there are God only knows how many of them out there. Guns, knives, clubs, baseball bats, hatchets, steel or lead pipes, vehicles, flammable liquids, household chemicals, fertilizer, box cutters just use your imagination. Why just single out guns? Laws only serve to provide a method of punishment for those who break them. Good people don't need them and bad people will never follow them.

87 people in the Happyland Fire in 1996 were killed with nothing more than a dollars worth of gasoline at the time, a container and a match or lighter. That's 28 more than what Paddock killed with a bunch of AR 15's equipped with bump stocks, thousands of rounds of ammunition, and firing into a crowd of thousands from a hotel window.

Unfortunately they will not stop with AR pistols. Anyone who owns a gun other than those are fooling themselves into submission if they think that they are safe from these anti 2nd Amendment zealots. These people will never be satisfied until the 2nd Amendment has been eradicated, a thing of the past and there is complete civilian disarmament. If you wish to hunt you can use a bow and arrow. Defend yourself? Call the police that's what they're there for and payed for. Oh that's right the police have been defunded? How about say your prayers?
Don't forget the German wings co-pilot that locked the pilot out of the cockpit and crashed an airliner into the Alps...with 154 people on board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

Guns are very hard to obtain in Germany, so the co-pilot chose something else to kill himself with.
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Hmmmm,

what's the accuracy of this thing?

Personally, I never paid that much attention to them (though I have been in the vicinity of one). Looking at the video, it brings to mind of why one doesn't wrap their finger around the trigger but only uses the finger tip. That is, to do the former, activates the muscles in the forearm and can pull one of target.

Does this thing transfer action in the forearm to the aiming of the gun?

All said, if it does, it brings interesting things to the table, such as....."better marksmanship through the government elimination of things that cause poor marksmanship"?

Unfortunately, it also puts me in their boat, since I know their regulations are not about safety but disarming, and makes me feel a little bit like a Fudd. I am judging on something that should not be infringed even if I see no practical purpose.

But, at the very least, I know I won't miss it. There would be no hurt feelings......if I could trust them to stop there...............WHICH I DON'T!
I'd sell a gun that was not accurate, quickly.
Who the hell wants a gun that is not accurate?

Spray & pray types?
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Don't forget the German wings co-pilot that locked the pilot out of the cockpit and crashed an airliner into the Alps...with 154 people on board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

Guns are very hard to obtain in Germany, so the co-pilot chose something else to kill himself with.


There's a will there's a way.
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Old 04-09-2021, 09:12 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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As a government employee, you better not have any of these things. Since EO's like that, only applied to Federal employees.
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