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Old 04-08-2021, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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No wall is high enough nor patrols deep enough to stop illegal immigration so long as US businesses and people continue to hire undocumented people without consequences.

A handful of states made EVerify mandatory and did so with intentional loopholes. The single greatest loophole has been exempting those who employ independent contractors.

The latest state to pretend it was doing something is Florida, a top three state in terms of undocumented people residency. This law requires employers to use EVerify OR the I- 9 form, the latter of which has been Federal Law since 1986. The Florida Law exempts independent contractors.

Trump enjoyed a Republican majority in both chambers in 2017. It chose to ignore making EVerify a federal requirement and requiring all who economically engage humans to use it.

Why is this?

Why do some portray undocumented people as criminals and EXCUSE those who economically engage them and do so without consequence.

Terrorists? All but one 9/11 terrorist was in the US legally. The sole exception overstayed his visa. Most of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US with Saudi passports.
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Old 04-08-2021, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Cali
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No wall is high enough nor patrols deep enough to stop illegal immigration so long as US businesses and people continue to hire undocumented people without consequences.

A handful of states made EVerify mandatory and did so with intentional loopholes. The single greatest loophole has been exempting those who employ independent contractors.

The latest state to pretend it was doing something is Florida, a top three state in terms of undocumented people residency. This law requires employers to use EVerify OR the I- 9 form, the latter of which has been Federal Law since 1986. The Florida Law exempts independent contractors.

Trump enjoyed a Republican majority in both chambers in 2017. It chose to ignore making EVerify a federal requirement and requiring all who economically engage humans to use it.

Why is this?

Why do some portray undocumented people as criminals and EXCUSE those who economically engage them and do so without consequence.

Terrorists? All but one 9/11 terrorist was in the US legally. The sole exception overstayed his visa. Most of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US with Saudi passports.
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Old 04-08-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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No wall is high enough nor patrols deep enough to stop illegal immigration so long as US businesses and people continue to hire undocumented people without consequences.

A handful of states made EVerify mandatory and did so with intentional loopholes. The single greatest loophole has been exempting those who employ independent contractors.

The latest state to pretend it was doing something is Florida, a top three state in terms of undocumented people residency. This law requires employers to use EVerify OR the I- 9 form, the latter of which has been Federal Law since 1986. The Florida Law exempts independent contractors.
Everify is only as good as what is reported. ID theft of American citizens by illegals is rampant. If they are using stolen information to get jobs than they often get overlooked, like had happened with the illegal who'd killed Mollie Tibbetts. It is not the one size fits all answer that you like to think it is. No one thing is. Using all of the tools, the wall, everify, electronics at the border, etc., is the way to go.

Perhaps being stricter on giving out freebies and putting an end to anchor babies would do the most to stop the vast majority of illegals coming here.

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Trump enjoyed a Republican majority in both chambers in 2017. It chose to ignore making EVerify a federal requirement and requiring all who economically engage humans to use it.

Why is this?
He had a hostile majority, seems like you're forgetting that.
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Why do some portray undocumented people as criminals and EXCUSE those who economically engage them and do so without consequence.
I haven't seen anyone on here, who is a Trump supporter, excuse those who use illegals for jobs. Seems the only ones who are okay with illegals taking jobs here is those on the left, as they love to say 'they come here for a better life'.

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Terrorists? All but one 9/11 terrorist was in the US legally. The sole exception overstayed his visa. Most of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US with Saudi passports.
So you're okay with the terrorists who are illegally coming across the border? Like the two who'd recently been caught, and now Biden* is covering it up?
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Delaware Native
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Do you have a link?
This site isn't big enough to insert all the links of Biden lying.
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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No wall is high enough nor patrols deep enough to stop illegal immigration so long as US businesses and people continue to hire undocumented people without consequences.

A handful of states made EVerify mandatory and did so with intentional loopholes. The single greatest loophole has been exempting those who employ independent contractors.

The latest state to pretend it was doing something is Florida, a top three state in terms of undocumented people residency. This law requires employers to use EVerify OR the I- 9 form, the latter of which has been Federal Law since 1986. The Florida Law exempts independent contractors.

Trump enjoyed a Republican majority in both chambers in 2017. It chose to ignore making EVerify a federal requirement and requiring all who economically engage humans to use it.

Why is this?

Why do some portray undocumented people as criminals and EXCUSE those who economically engage them and do so without consequence.

Terrorists? All but one 9/11 terrorist was in the US legally. The sole exception overstayed his visa. Most of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US with Saudi passports.
Get a life. Walls are NOT the end all of protecting our border and NO ONE HAS CLAIMED IT IS but, is does HELP A LOT!
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Get a life. Walls are NOT the end all of protecting our border and NO ONE HAS CLAIMED IT IS but, is does HELP A LOT!
Even if it helps only a tiny little bit, it's still sugar that's so sweet it will make the infrastructure bill easier for Repubs to swallow.

Biden's just like Trump in some ways; he has a very narrow majority that's like a stubborn horse. So did Trump.
They both know a few things about stubborn horses that are in their way.
Sometimes the horse needs a switching to move, and sometimes the horse will move if there's a sweet candy in a pocket for it.

The difference between Trump and Biden is Trump always tried a sugar cube. Horses don't actually like them as much as a hard peppermint.
That's what Biden has in his pocket. One of those peppermints that's white with the little red spirals around the edges.
Sucker bait for all horses. Works every time.

That's the difference between novice and expert, amateur and professional.

Keep on believing Joe's an old doddering idiot. He counts on guys who do, and he's got peppermints in his pocket they'll crawl over the fence for.
As long as he accomplishes the stuff he wants to get done, he does not care a lick about what anyone thinks of him.
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Old 04-08-2021, 11:16 AM
 
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Get a life. Walls are NOT the end all of protecting our border and NO ONE HAS CLAIMED IT IS but, is does HELP A LOT!
The democrats seem to believe that a wall/fence around the capital would be a deterrent to rioters and would keep them safe.
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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It's not just the fence, it's the national guard around the capital as well 2mares. Just as the wall is only effective with boots on the ground and technology to monitor it. I love the article at the end showing the smugglers dropping those poor kids way to young to be on their own over the fence. Where there's a will, there's a way.

We've all seen the images of people climbing the walls. Seeing those two poor kids dropped like that broke my heart. No child should be treated that way.

If Biden says he's going to reinforce gaps? So be it. It's not the be all end all like it was with the Trump koolaid drinking rubes. You won't see anyone from the MAGA crowd chanting build that wall if Biden does it will you.

I love your analysis banjomike. It's very insightful and spot on. You get a rep.

The MAGA crowd has been gaslighted and fleeced, yet. they still follow with this cult like devotion. Why?

You want the truth about Biden's broken promises? Follow politifact Biden Promise Tracker.

Promise kept 8/Compromise 0
In the works:25
Promise 1: Getting Covid under control.

100 million shots in one hundred days. That goal was reached in 58 days.

Implement mask mandates nation wide on federal property. Done

Give small businesses a restart package for pandemic related openings.

You can read all of the campaign promises on this page and keep track of which are successful and which are not.

Given that he has been in office for what 3 months now? He's done more for getting this pandemic under control then the last one that squandered precious months with lies and messaging vs action. That alone was reason enough for him to get my vote.

Will Biden achieve every campaign goal. Certainly not. None of them do, but he's off to a great start.

Do I agree with all of his policies? I do not. but I'll take him over the last liar and grifter.

Donald Trump lost the vast majority of we the people because well, he's Donald Trump. Toxic, malignant narcissist, incompetent, and finally gone.
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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No wall is high enough nor patrols deep enough to stop illegal immigration so long as US businesses and people continue to hire undocumented people without consequences.

A handful of states made EVerify mandatory and did so with intentional loopholes. The single greatest loophole has been exempting those who employ independent contractors.

The latest state to pretend it was doing something is Florida, a top three state in terms of undocumented people residency. This law requires employers to use EVerify OR the I- 9 form, the latter of which has been Federal Law since 1986. The Florida Law exempts independent contractors.

Trump enjoyed a Republican majority in both chambers in 2017. It chose to ignore making EVerify a federal requirement and requiring all who economically engage humans to use it.

Why is this?

Why do some portray undocumented people as criminals and EXCUSE those who economically engage them and do so without consequence.

Terrorists? All but one 9/11 terrorist was in the US legally. The sole exception overstayed his visa. Most of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US with Saudi passports.
While "The Wall" can't stop all illegal immigration it is a critical component....just ask the border patrol! The vast majority of people can't climb the wall! That said, we already have laws on the books to punish employers....both sides choose not to prosecute! While I favor EVerify, I also understand that it is pretty easy to get around!
Solving the issue of illegal immigration takes a multi-pronged approach. One can only conclude that neither side really wants to fix it....they'd rather have an election issue!
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Old 04-08-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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So what are getting colicky about? that he said he wasnt going to build anymore or that he is?
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