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Old 04-10-2021, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Socialized medicine is not a panacea for anything. What is telling is the problem in Canada is vaccine rollout which is clearly a health system.
They did not order enough, soon enough, no diff than the Trump Admin, last summer, given the lead time.

US would have been up the same creek, had not the Biden Admin invoked the Defense Act for production.

Not clear why the Trump Admin allowed options to buy more Pfizer expire last summer. Maybe Kushner or whomever was in charge really believed it would just go away.

There is a tendency for people who make or hear misstatements enough times to believe it.
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Old 04-10-2021, 06:51 PM
 
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Lol. You are banned from entering, so I guess the advice not to travel is sound.
Not exactly a ban, if you don’t mind quarantining, at your own expense in a designated hotel for 14 days, provided you have an acceptable proof of a negative test.


The US will require you to demonstrate a recent negative test to return home. If it’s positive, it’s back to Club Can at your own expense.
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Old 04-10-2021, 06:54 PM
 
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False.

Death by Covid per million

USA 1,726

Canada 612

Why post stuff that is easily disproven?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Seems some people’s self esteem is based on a false sense of superiority to other countries and/ or races, and/ or ethnicities, and/or religions, etc.
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Old 04-10-2021, 06:58 PM
 
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No country on earth is doing well with the rollout except tiny Israel (for the Jewish population only) and the US. We can all be thankful for the skills of the people Biden put on this task. It's been a long time since the US could look down their noses at anyone.
Then go live in a country you can be proud of. You are sniveling now. If you hate this country, leave. I'd bet there are people who know you personally who'd help arrange your departure.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:03 PM
 
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One has nothing to do with the other.

Your CDC is just making noise. Even the article you linked states

"In many ways, the travel warning is a moot point"

Why tell Americans not to travel to Canada, when you can't in the first place?

Odd, very odd.

If your government was serious, they would ban Canadians travelling to the US, or at least enforce a quarantine rule.

Yet, nothing.

Odd, very odd.
Canadians, like all others, including returning Americans, need to demonstrate proof of a negative acceptable COVID test to board a flight to the US. Once admitted to the US, they will be told to self quarantine. There is no follow- up that people do.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:08 PM
 
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Seems Canada was a tad slow ordering vaccines, not too diff than the Trump Admin who allowed multiple options to order more Pfizer to expire, last summer. It finally ordered another 100 million doses on 12/23. Delivery is expected 6/30-7/31.
Canada was not slow in ordering vaccines. Date purchase agreements were signed:

Moderna - July 24, 2020 (Canada was first country in the world to sign with Moderna)
Pfizer - Aug 1, 2020
J&J - Aug 24, 2020
Novavax - Aug 27, 2020
Sanofi - Sep 11, 2020
AstraZeneca - Sep 24, 2020
Medicago - Oct 22, 2020

https://www.cp24.com/news/a-brief-lo...ered-1.5293435

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The reality is Canada says, no thank you.

You need a negative test and to self fund a 14 day quarantine at a hotel designated for that purpose. Your meals will be delivered to your room.
This process is for returning Canadians. Americans and foreigners from other countries, with certain exceptions, aren’t allowed to enter Canada right now.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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No country on earth is doing well with the rollout except tiny Israel (for the Jewish population only) and the US. We can all be thankful for the skills of the people Biden put on this task. It's been a long time since the US could look down their noses at anyone.
Israel was willing to pay more to get more vaccine.

Israel is hitting the wall with Arab Israelites and Haredi Jews who are skeptical about the vaccine despite that it is these communities where COVID surges and kills.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:15 PM
 
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Canada has no problems with CDC's warnings. I think Canada's citizens would rather just throw away the keys to the border and lock it up for good and say good riddance to anyone wanting in and harming them.

Canada is so rich and has such a healthy budget they probably could just lose the entire tourist industry and not have any bad effects.

Canada is not so rich. I believe their budget deficit for 2021 is about $400 billion dollars. And since our economy is 12 times bigger than theirs that is a problem. The Canadian dollar is not a safe haven.


And as others have said their vaccine rollout is a dumpster fire. Now they have to lock down again. So much for socialism.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:17 PM
 
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Canadians get asked 98209834902384 times a day would they rather have the US or their universal health system. 86% more or less say no.

They get it both ways. They can come down here to jump the line for ELECTIVE surgery as Canada prioritizes life threatening condition surgery. Win win for them.
Many countries do better with some diseases/ conditions than others. No single country excels at all.

Let’s recall, Rand Paul chose to fly to Canada ( pre Covid) for specialized hernia surgery and did so at his own expense. There is more outbound US medical tourism to Canada than incoming. This is especially remarkable, given the number of snowbirds from Canada who winter in Florida and Arizona.
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Old 04-10-2021, 07:19 PM
 
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All Israeli citizens 16 and older have the ability to get vaccinated in Israel. Its not just Jews. In addition Israel has been vaccinating all foreign workers in Israel and not charging them to be vaccinated.
Covid vaccines are socialized everywhere, including the US.
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