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No country on earth is doing well with the rollout except tiny Israel (for the Jewish population only) and the US. We can all be thankful for the skills of the people Biden put on this task. It's been a long time since the US could look down their noses at anyone.
The Biden administration? Give us all a break This is the same administration that allowed infected "migrants" to travel anywhere they wanted in the country.
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Many countries do better with some diseases/ conditions than others. No single country excels at all.
Let’s recall, Rand Paul chose to fly to Canada ( pre Covid) for specialized hernia surgery and did so at his own expense. There is more outbound US medical tourism to Canada than incoming. This is especially remarkable, given the number of snowbirds from Canada who winter in Florida and Arizona.
You need to revise your post as there is not more US medical Tourism to Canada for medical procedures. Many US residents go for prescription refills but not for medical procedures.
As for Paul's specialized surgery - there are US doctors that use natural tissue instead of mesh. He went there as he knew the exact cost of the surgery and it more of a resort setting.
I think it would be more accurate to say that they'd like to put one-way locks on the border. Plenty of Canadians came to America pre-COVID, especially in the winter. (Gee, I wonder why?)
Canadians do not want us up there Rona or no rona. They are not particularly fond of us Americans...look in these forums at all the looking down their noses they do towards us. I bet that Canadian border stays closed for many years....we will be able to travel to Europe before we can go to Canada again.
What does the situation have to do with socialism?
There was to plan/ strategy for vaccine rollout in the Trump Admin, beyond allocating to states and letting states figure out the rest.
Biden ( who I did not vote for) published a 200 page strategy within days of inauguration. It called for federal funding of state and county rollout, use of FEMA and the military to augment state initiatives. It also called for invoking the Defense Act to produce doses.
It understood Publix and Walgreens were never going to be able to vaccinate the masses as soon as doses became available. It called for mobile vaccination trucks in rural areas. It also called for safely reopening schools and domestic travel.
It called for 100 million vaccines in his first 100 days. People said it could not be done. The goal was met in day 58 and then Biden upped the goal to 200 million. And it looks reachable.
Biden was more organized than Trump on the rollout but from what I recall Trump ordered the vaccine last year and had the stock piles set aside for us. Without that we would probably be like Canada or Europe. Now if Trump had been reelected I am sure the rollout would have had more problems and been slower. But probably still better than Canada or the EU.
And what does it have to do with socialism? Well the EU and Canada have gov't run healthcare. We don't for the most part. When the government runs a industry that is socialism. Canada is now back almost to the highs in January. We are still a fraction of those numbers.
The facts are, that approximately 50,000 to 62,000 Canadians receive some form of healthcare outside of Canada a year.
This is outside of Canada, not necessarily the US, but safe to say that the majority may be. Those numbers for example would included going to Europe, as one friend did for experimental cancer treatment not available in Canada. Unfortunately in her case it did no good.
It also includes snowbirds who are on travel health insurance and say break a leg and need treatment. This type of insurance does not cover someone saying, " hey, while I'm in California, I'll have that heart operation" since no travel insurance covers non-emergency care.
In other words, they would pay out of pocket.
It also makes NO sense for a Canadian with a serious illness, to go to the US for care. Beside having to pay full price, they would also have to pay for accommodation , travel, on an ongoing basis. Many health issues are ongoing. It's not just a one stop shop, you have follow up appointments, test etc.
Why on earth would a Canadian put themselves through that, when at home you get all that without extra cost.
Don't believe the lies that people don't get good care in Canada. It is a lie.
Because the higher level health care is better in the US.
I lived in Canada and kept my US health insurance.
Went south for a couple of weeks for surgery and then returned to Canada for my post-operative care, which I paid for out of my pocket.
At that time, Canadians did have the option to opt out of provincial health insurance. Not sure if that is true these days. But at that time, it was much, much cheaper for me to pay out of pocket for Canadian health care than the premiums for health care in Canada.
Had friends that did the same thing. Bought US health insurance, and did the routine health care in Canada.
IF Canadian health care works for Canadians, good for them. If US health care works for Americans, good for them.
Biden was more organized than Trump on the rollout but from what I recall Trump ordered the vaccine last year and had the stock piles set aside for us. Without that we would probably be like Canada or Europe. Now if Trump had been reelected I am sure the rollout would have had more problems and been slower. But probably still better than Canada or the EU.
And what does it have to do with socialism? Well the EU and Canada have gov't run healthcare. We don't for the most part. When the government runs a industry that is socialism. Canada is now back almost to the highs in January. We are still a fraction of those numbers.
Oh, please! The Biden administration is not doing as well with the roll out as you think. My state (a blue one) hasn't had enough vaccines on hand. In fact, my HMO sent emails to members encouraging all to look to get the shots elsewhere due to the fact that the HMO hasn't received enough doses. My state isn't alone concerning this issue either. The rollout has already been slower with Biden at the helm. BTW, if you think Biden is the one doing all the planning, think again. The man is not all there.
Because the higher level health care is better in the US.
I lived in Canada and kept my US health insurance.
Went south for a couple of weeks for surgery and then returned to Canada for my post-operative care, which I paid for out of my pocket.
At that time, Canadians did have the option to opt out of provincial health insurance. Not sure if that is true these days. But at that time, it was much, much cheaper for me to pay out of pocket for Canadian health care than the premiums for health care in Canada.
Had friends that did the same thing. Bought US health insurance, and did the routine health care in Canada.
IF Canadian health care works for Canadians, good for them. If US health care works for Americans, good for them.
Not sure why the big discussion is at this point.
The " I lived in Canada " bit you use, should come with the caveat, that you lived in Canada in the 1970's. Things change.
You can opt out of MSP if you want, I suppose, but you won't be able to buy private insurance to cover what MSP does, so it wouldn't make any sense, since there are no premiums to pay anyway.
Paying out of pocket though is MUCH cheaper in Canada, just like our prescriptions.
Canadians can not buy US health insurance, only travel health coverage, unless you are a legal resident in the US. Meaning, that if any Canadian wanted to have surgery in the US, they HAVE to pay the full cost out of pocket. Travel health insurance is only good for emergency health care.
So, my statement stands. It makes NO sense for the average Canadian to go to the US for care, especially if it's for a major issue.
The fact is that they estimate only 50,000 or so, get health care outside of Canada. Not all to the US, but Mexico etc. All the same places Americans leave the US for care. It is a VERY small number out of 37,000,000
Canadians do not want us up there Rona or no rona. They are not particularly fond of us Americans...look in these forums at all the looking down their noses they do towards us. I bet that Canadian border stays closed for many years....we will be able to travel to Europe before we can go to Canada again.
First don't judge a whole country by a few on the internet.
Second, it's false to say Canadians aren't fond of Americans. We judge people on a person to person basis, and yes on CD we do have to " fight back " on some of the silly and sweeping statements made.
Like you just did.
I'm sure many Americans on the forum, who have been to Canada, will tell you that that what you say is untrue.
I would say Canada's rates are pretty much better than Ohio's - why would the CDC advise against going to Canada - but not against going to Ohio?
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This is the same administration that allowed infected "migrants" to travel anywhere they wanted in the country.
