Official: Chinese vaccines' effectiveness low (deaths, borders, Obama, v)

[Suburban_Guy]

Wonder how long before this official hits the gulag. Isn't this the same vaccine that Thai officials are counting on to help recover their countries' decimated tourist industry?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-...053640063.html

In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country's top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to give them a boost.

Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao Fu, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.

Beijing has distributed hundreds of millions of doses in other countries while also trying to promote doubt about the effectiveness of Western vaccines.

[LS Jaun]

Wonder how many people died from the Vaccine

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by Suburban_Guy

Wonder how long before this official hits the gulag. Isn't this the same vaccine that Thai officials are counting on to help recover their countries' decimated tourist industry?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-...053640063.html

He is doing fine, he has already corrected the false citations in the media.

I don't know whether it was deliberate or not, but it seems Western media have misunderstood or misinterpreted what that guy was actually saying. Maybe a linguistic problem. But I doubt it. It happens too often recently. Probably part of the propaganda to smear Chinese and Russian vaccines.
Another indicator is the fact that people in the West keep claiming that the Chinese are reluctant to get vaccinated because they don't believe in their vaccines. But in reality the pandemic is basically over in China, so people simply don't feel like getting any vaccine. Of course the government knows better, they know there can be outbreaks again anytime, so they want people to get the vaccine, anyway. Just to be on the safe side. Sooner or later they have to open their borders again...

Anyway, he was not speaking of Chinese vaccines in particular, but of current vaccines in general.
His remark on combining different vaccines to improve efficacy is echoed in the West as well, here in Europe at least.

He is well aware that no current vaccines have very high efficacy in every way, including Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna.
The Pfizer and Moderna ones for instance were tested during a calm period last summer, before nasty variants emerged. The South African one for instance which severely reduces the efficacy of those two vaccines.

The reported efficacy of merely 51% of a Chinese vaccine in Brazil came from a study in the Amazon region where they had a huge outbreak and where a nasty variant was circulating. In fact that variant from Manaus is now the dominant strain in Brazil, infecting younger and younger patients.
They also have a second variant in Brazil now. Sorry to say that, but I think no country should currently allow in flights from Brazil.

In Turkey the efficacy of the same Chinese vaccine was found to be 84%, probably because they don't have such nasty variants there, yet.

Also, the Chinese vaccines do what they are supposed to, namely prevent serious illness with an efficacy of 90+%. Preventing contagion is much more difficult and no current vaccines do that reliably. While it would be appreciated, it is not the main goal of those vaccines, anyway.

Here is an interesting video on vaccine efficacy, which might change the way you look at those numbers:

https://youtu.be/K3odScka55A

I would take a Chinese vaccine without worrying, the Russian one as well. At least those have not been associated with thromboses, yet.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by Neuling

The Pfizer and Moderna ones for instance were tested during a calm period last summer, before nasty variants emerged.

The latest studies on currently circulating virus have backed up over 90% efficacy for both.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ine-protection

I believe it would be wrong to say the Chinese vaccines are ineffective, but clearly western vaccines are more effective at the present.

[Neuling]

There is a new article from Chile:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...le-govt-report

[lily76]

At least better than nothing.

They can not get MRNA vaccines at this moment anyway.

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by lily76

At least better than nothing.

They can not get MRNA vaccines at this moment anyway.

Far better than nothing, it's on the same level as AstraZeneca's vaccine:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00785-7

And Johnson & Johnson's.

[Neuling]

They just said on the news that the effectiveness of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has been revised up to 97.6%, based on a study on 4m people vaccinated.

[Neuling]

Meanwhile the two most widely known Chinese vaccines have received the green light from the WHO so they can be used for Covax. Today it was Coronavac = Sinovac.

There is news today from Brazil, where they did a pilot vaccination project in the city of Serrana using that Sinovac vaccine. It worked even better than they expected, after the second dose the numbers of patients and deaths plummeted by 85 and 95% respectively.
7 weeks into the vaccination project they had reached 75% and the pandemic was under control. Now after 8 weeks almost everyone in that city is vaccinated and life has almost returned to normal, turning the city into an oasis in the desert called Brazil.

https://youtu.be/fQAn8UGBla8

I suppose that extensive study has contributed to the WHO's green light.

[Stephan A Smith]

Considering how Obama/Biden decided to fund Covid virus testing in China rather than a trusted facility in the United States and China had all the time in the world to test vaccines against the Obama/Biden/Xi virus, it's amazing they do not have the best vaccine of all.