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Old 04-12-2021, 09:14 PM
 
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I agree, he did the right things to keep himself alive. As a military veteran, I felt so bad for the guy. Serving your country and this is how they treat you. Some conservatives love to yell and scream, how the other side hate American and don't love their country, but when you give the biggest honor to your country by serving, it means nothing, you are still treated with no respect.
He's really good at following instructions. Not.

He provoked the police and the fat one got fired for how he responded. And I think he's a veteran too.

So it's got nothing to do with how they, or the country treats anyone. The worst of that was one vet against another.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I agree, but the way the military guy continued to disobey orders was ridiculous. He acted offended like who is he to be pulled over and follow commands. And suing for $1 million dollars over this incident seems a little excessive. At the end of the video, the police are talking to him quite calmly once orders were followed.
He was given contradictory orders repeatedly and at the same time. He made the smartest decision to keep his hands visible instead of reaching for his seat belt which could have been deadly with two twitchy officers that had their weapons drawn.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:20 PM
 
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Uh, mass shootings are considered to be 4+ shot in one incident. Have you seen the amount of 4+ shootings going on every week in many ''urban'' areas?

The whole ''but white males are mass shooters'' narrative is misplaced.
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Agree, but that is not what the post I responded to was saying.



Blacks commit the highest number of mass shootings per capita, and about every single one of them are taken alive.
From: https://www.npr.org/2021/03/27/98180...ooters-are-men

"If men vastly outnumber women as mass shooters, those perpetrators are often a model for the next male shooters, who "see themselves in them," Peterson said, a phenomenon that she noted is particularly true among young, white men. Violence Project data show that white men are disproportionately responsible for mass shootings more than any other group.

"They study the perpetrators that came before them," she said. "Many school shooters study Columbine, for example; other university shooters study the Virginia Tech shooting. And they really are kind of using those previous shootings as a blueprint for their own."
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I agree, but the way the military guy continued to disobey orders was ridiculous. He acted offended like who is he to be pulled over and follow commands. And suing for $1 million dollars over this incident seems a little excessive. At the end of the video, the police are talking to him quite calmly once orders were followed.
At the end of the video when his career is threatened?
Oh, sure, the police were calm then. They thought they’d scared him into not reporting them.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:25 PM
 
Location: sumter
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He was given contradictory orders repeatedly and at the same time. He made the smartest decision to keep his hands visible instead of reaching for his seat belt which could have been deadly with two twitchy officers that had their weapons drawn.
Exactly, that would have given them an excuse to shoot him.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:26 PM
 
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Except for the fact that the officer stated that "they understood" why he went to a well lit place, and "it happens all the time". He even stated on the radio in real time that he was slowing down and complying. It was less than 2 minutes from the time that the stop was initiated until they reached the BP and less than a mile.

Their own words on video lay waste to your claim that there was a "chase" and they didn't know what was going on.
Totally false.
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Windsor police officer Daniel Crocker had reported encountering a vehicle with tinted windows and without a rear license plate, describing it in radio transmissions as “eluding police” and labeling it a “high-risk traffic stop.”
https://www.freep.com/story/news/202...ys/7173377002/
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:28 PM
 
Location: sumter
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At the end of the video when his career is threatened?
Oh, sure, the police were calm then. They thought they’d scared him into not reporting them.
I saw that, they knew they handled that situation poorly. Then tried to smooth things over at the end.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Various
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From: https://www.npr.org/2021/03/27/98180...ooters-are-men

"If men vastly outnumber women as mass shooters, those perpetrators are often a model for the next male shooters, who "see themselves in them," Peterson said, a phenomenon that she noted is particularly true among young, white men. Violence Project data show that white men are disproportionately responsible for mass shootings more than any other group.

"They study the perpetrators that came before them," she said. "Many school shooters study Columbine, for example; other university shooters study the Virginia Tech shooting. And they really are kind of using those previous shootings as a blueprint for their own."
FYI, the definition used for mass shooting in this study is: “a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms—not including the offender(s)—within one event, and at least some of the murders occurred in a public location or locations in close geographical proximity (e.g., a workplace, school, restaurant, or other public settings), and the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).”

Yes, they use mass homicide that excludes underlying criminal activity. Wonder what the numbers would look like if they used mass shooting events with casualties (not just death) that are "commonplace circumstance". What would be your guess?
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:34 PM
 
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Which was legally owned. If having a gun in your car called for getting pepper sprayed at every traffic stop Mississippi would run out of milk for flushing eyes.
Legally owned guns are just as deadly as illegally owned guns. The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with legally owned guns.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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Which command? The command to keep your hands outside the window or the one to get out of the car which would require him to use his hands inside the car to remove his seat belt and open the door? Both commands were being shouted at the same time.
The last time a black guy tried to follow the contradictory commands, he got shot to death and the cop walked. Anyone remember Philando Castile?
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