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Yeah, that's the wort police misconduct I've ever seen on video. But the media control what people think, and the media wants people to hate whites, so the bogus narrative is racist white cops killing blacks.
Yeah I didn't even know about the Daniel Shaver case until reading about it on some posts here and I still haven't seen the original video, but just the descriptions are appalling. It sounds much worse than the recent shootings like Daunte Wright or the kid in Chicago. As bad as they were, they were accidental or there was a clear case of a violent threat. But for Shaver case, the police very deliberately set out to torment and intimidate a guy who wasn't a threat. And then murdered him in cold blood. That main cop involved should be in prison himself, getting beaten up by his fellow inmates for that.
I saw a meme that sums up my opinion on this pretty well. It’s a black lady looking distraught at a white lady and captioned “And y’all ok with that?”
Pretty much our death by cop rate should be atrocious to everyone.
Then why do people, especially the black community ignore the fact that police interact with blacks at a higher rate, because they commit high rates of crime? Which is what happens when one isn't raised properly because 70% of all black children are raised in a single parent environment. THAT is far more atrocious than anything else.
I saw a meme that sums up my opinion on this pretty well. It’s a black lady looking distraught at a white lady and captioned “And y’all ok with that?”
Pretty much our death by cop rate should be atrocious to everyone.
It should be, but that includes the death rate for suspects of all races, including whites as much as African-Americans and Latinos. I don't think anyone is arguing the USA doesn't have a problem with high rate of cop killings of unarmed suspects, clearly it's a huge problem that the US has more than any other developed country. Problem is portrayal of it as racial angle, when the people getting unjustly shot come from all races and again, are disproportionate white when you look at the actual demographics in relevant age range.
There have been some pretty outlandish LE shootings of White people over the last several years that have been discussed at length on here but didn't stay up long either here or in the news. Daniel Shaver in AZ is one such. There was another where names escape me involving a bedridden disabled elderly man where a no knock was obtained based on a "suspicious odor" detected by an officer followed by a Tac team entry resulting in the man being shot dead in his bed. And quite a few others. No protests, riots, looting and these latter two cases barely registered on the news.
The cop that killed Shaver had "YOUR F&^%$#" emblazoned on the inside of the dust cover of the AR carbine he used and that ridiculous game of Simon Says he and his partner played prior to shooting him point blank 5 times makes this recent police shooting in Minneaopolis look quite tame by comparison. Yet cities are on fire again and businesses that have not recovered from the last round of BLMs "peaceful protests" will certainly not recover now.
Black people are oppressed by police in the US? This is a hugely racist country" Seriously? Hmmm, what about Russia, China, all of SE Asia, even Japan? Looking at Russia last I checked there were ZERO Black folks there. Anywhere to be found. I wonder, if there were, how Russian LE would react to the type of ...misbehavior...going on here. Or in any Asian country near middle or far East. Probably with judicious lethal force and them rioters that survive would be chained together cleaning boulders out of fields in Siberia.
Not lounging in their living rooms watching "gangstah" rap videos on a stolen 72 inch flat screen and drinking pilfered alcohol and popping pain meds pilfered from a local pharmacy. Truly, if it's so bad here why then are we not seeing mass exodus to some other country? Instead the exodus is White people leaving the urban centers and suburbs of same. I'm not buying into this "racial oppression" bit. That's just being used as an excuse for deviant behavior and is being pandered to by the radical left that has become the Democratic party.
And in Portlands case it's not even Black people doing the rioting looting and mayhem. It's man bun wearing dweebs that see a Samurai in the mirror but what the most of folks see is a soccer mom and strident harpies calling themselves "racial justice warriors".
I finally saw the video on the Daniel Shaver incident and-- what the hell? This made me want to riot. It was basically deliberate murder, like a soldier in a war zone murdering civilians. Even worse than the George Floyd case. Media's agenda even more obvious when such a horrible miscarriage of justice like this just gets ignored.
Yeah more White people are killed by police every year than any other racial group. And guess what? BLM has spoken up for more of those victims than the ALM crowd as well.
This article uses a WaPo piece on the death of 19-year-old Zachary Hammond in 2015, a White resident of SC killed by police in his car, and comments by the family's lawyer--which echo those made here--as its basis. Key excerpts:
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The truth is, the real reason white victims of police brutality don’t get enough outrage is because the majority of white people are too busy condemning black and brown victims for their own assaults and deaths, ignoring the racialized elements of unnecessary force, and heaping praise on murderous police officers to realize that state-sanctioned violence is a problem that affects us all...
[T]he reason why the larger black community and the media are made aware that there is even something to be outraged about is the diligence and bravery of activists who bring these unreported and under-reported acts of brutality to light. Hell, if it wasn’t for the continued activism of black folks, black bloggers and black organizations who demanded accountability after Trayvon Martin was killed, that story would have never became a national plot line.
What [the Hammond family lawyer] doesn’t understand is that we have now entered the era of unapologetic Blackness, where black people have absolutely zero requirement to hide our unflinching love for our collective race and our desire to see white supremacy toppled to the ground.
It is in no way, shape or form our responsibility to include or protect the lives of people from other communities, because they have been endowed with the same access and ability to propagate their own issues as well. But, it should be duly noted that the main people who have been speaking out on behalf of Zachary Hammond have been black journalists and black activists, more so than anyone else of any other color.
If white people want outrage for the death of Zachary Hammond, then make noise and try to achieve public change. But that would require you to stop victim-blaming murdered suspects of excessive police violence. That would require you to stop crowd funding murderous officers.
That would require you to stop blindly and unilaterally defending police officers. And that would require you to do the hardest thing of all: admitting that black folks haven’t been lying or exaggerating when we’ve said that there is a real problem with policing in America.
We know this is a sensitive topic and we're not starting this up just to pot stir, but especially at times like this it's important to have facts and perspective-- far more unarmed American whites are fatally shot by the cops each year than African-Americans and Latinos are, and even Larry Elder (African-American) has pointed this out. In fact when you look deep in the data you'll find there's very little evidence of a systemic racial bias at all, white, black and Latino cops in the United States all shoot white, black and Latino suspects at a way elevated rate compared to other countries, but white Americans in particular are in fact shot at a higher rate.
That is the demographic that matters here, the "fact checkers" like Snopes and factcheck.org love to claim that police harass and shoot blacks and Latinos more often than whites as population proportion, but they do this by cherry picking their demographic stats and including even Boomers and Silent Generation-ers who have much lower police interaction in general for all groups. When you instead look at esp teenage children and young adults who are the relevant population here, whites are shot more often as both absolute and percentage, by cops of all races and ethnic groups
Now to be very clear again, not putting this up to go pot stirring. It's not right what happened to George Floyd or Daunte Wright this weekend, and police who improper use lethal force do need to be disciplined and prosecuted, but that goes for those who shoot whites as much as the shootings of blacks and Latinos, even though we rarely hear about the former case. And the main shooters of black Americans aren't cops but other black Americans! Don't know why the rate of cops shooting unarmed Americans is so high in the USA and it's a tragedy, but it gets worse when it gets constantly portrayed as a racial issue and mixed in with racism when that's not the main issue here, the causes are elsewhere. My family-- mostly white and some Asian-- has had some scary interactions with police probably since so many of us including me have bad dyslexia (supposedly 'high functioning dyslexic" for some of us but still), and when we're in a traffic stop without being able to access the apps or helper devices to help us read documents more easily, we've handed over the wrong documents or misread forms and the cops have gotten angry and threatening, even when it's simple confusion or misunderstanding. This maybe tells us main problem isn't so much cops being racist, but having such a short fuse and getting angered and upset too easily by situations that don't happen the way they expected, and resorting to force or threats against innocent people who make honest mistakes or for other reasons, have trouble understanding what's going on or interacting properly. That's something then that needs more training and better funding, not "defunding the police" either.
I've heard different numbers thrown around.
The numbers that are most pertinent are these:
Over 50% of all murders in America are carried out by a Black.
Roughly 70% of all violent crime in America is carried out by a Black.
Roughly 25% of police-on-civilian killings are cops killing blacks (that's not getting into armed v. unarmed).
So....the numbers are what they are. It's a grotesque monstrosity of a lie to say that blacks are being wiped out by police. It's just not truthful at all.
Over 50% of all murders in America are carried out by a Black.
Roughly 70% of all violent crime in America is carried out by a Black.
Roughly 25% of police-on-civilian killings are cops killing blacks (that's not getting into armed v. unarmed).
So....the numbers are what they are. It's a grotesque monstrosity of a lie to say that blacks are being wiped out by police. It's just not truthful at all.
Yep. Again the biggest danger to young black Americans is other armed black Americans, and so even though there a lot of cases where police procedures do need adjustment and being more careful about using force, on whole the police are protecting them from each other in the high crime areas (like Chicago) where no police presence would just mean more people getting shot by gangs and criminals. And again drilling into those stats, in most cases the African-American and Latino suspects were armed, like that case with the teen in Columbus lately or that kid in Chicago, even with the questions around the cops' actions there a fair minded person can at least admit the cops were pursuing armed suspects. As comparison, it's much more likely for an unarmed white person to be shot by the police even when they posed no danger at all. That Daniel Shaver case might of been extreme example but it's much more common in general for a white suspect not posing a threat to be shot by the cops. From that kind of perspective, whites have more to fear from trigger happy police on a power-trip than other groups do.
Yep. Again the biggest danger to young black Americans is other armed black Americans, and so even though there a lot of cases where police procedures do need adjustment and being more careful about using force, on whole the police are protecting them from each other in the high crime areas (like Chicago) where no police presence would just mean more people getting shot by gangs and criminals. And again drilling into those stats, in most cases the African-American and Latino suspects were armed, like that case with the teen in Columbus lately or that kid in Chicago, even with the questions around the cops' actions there a fair minded person can at least admit the cops were pursuing armed suspects. As comparison, it's much more likely for an unarmed white person to be shot by the police even when they posed no danger at all. That Daniel Shaver case might of been extreme example but it's much more common in general for a white suspect not posing a threat to be shot by the cops. From that kind of perspective, whites have more to fear from trigger happy police on a power-trip than other groups do.
I saw one stat just yesterday that said blacks are twice as likely to die by police than whites.
Well, that simply doesn't tell the story. Blacks commit like 5 times the amount of violent crime, so are far more likely to interact with police.
And adjusted for per-interaction with police, blacks are killed less than their white counterparts by police.
I saw one stat just yesterday that said blacks are twice as likely to die by police than whites.
Well, that simply doesn't tell the story. Blacks commit like 5 times the amount of violent crime, so are far more likely to interact with police.
And adjusted for per-interaction with police, blacks are killed less than their white counterparts by police.
That's great point too, it's another way the mainstream media and biased "fact checkers" like Snopes massage the numbers and fake the statistics. To get a real sense of the proportions of Americans shot by police like you saying, we have to take into account the level of incidents with the police, and the level of crime that gets police into a neighborhood to begin with. And truth is, looking at background stats, it's much more likely for black Americans and Latinos to have incidents to begin with because of higher crime. The cop in Columbus was there because of higher crime to begin with, the police officer in Chicago was there because Latino American street gangs there are active, the cops who got shot and killed in North Carolina where there because that African American neighborhood has a higher crime rate. Take that in account too, and the numbers even more lopsided showing that young white Americans, even unarmed and without history of criminal activity or in a lower crime neighborhood themselves, are more likely to be shot by the police. Or at least equally likely, ie. there's no racial angle to it.
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