US recommends 'pause' for J&J vaccine over clot reports (layman, percent)

[RowingFiend]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

The government has not said that the vaccine is unsafe. It is investigating a tiny number of adverse events.

As usual you miss the point.

[Hoonose]

The point is, is that this is a medical, not a political decision.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by RowingFiend

As usual you miss the point.

I am not missing anything. The government has not said the vaccine is unsafe.

My personal opinion is that the incidence of blood clots is so low that the benefit of having the vaccine available will be determined to be vastly superior to the risk of getting clots and administration of the vaccine will resume, probably with a warning to the demographic susceptible.

[Spartacus713]

Originally Posted by Hoonose

The point is, is that this is a medical, not a political decision.

I am not convinced that is actually the case.

But then I do not go by "Who am I going to believe," as you have been advising people to do, but instead by "What am I going to believe."

This situation has politics all over it.

[Hoonose]

Originally Posted by Spartacus713

I am not convinced that is actually the case.

But then I do not go by "Who am I going to believe," as you have been advising people to do, but instead by "What am I going to believe."

This situation has politics all over it.

What would you do Doctor?

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

Science changes as new information is acquired. That is how science works.

So it's WRONG a lot of the time.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by Hoonose

What would you do Doctor?

Are you insinuating that a doctor always knows best?

I would certainly hope not.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

So it's WRONG a lot of the time.

It is the best that can be done with the information available at the time.

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

It is the best that can be done with the information available at the time.

So it's wrong a lot of the time.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by motownnative

Gates is a big investor in mRNA too. Though he has his hands in so many things, it's hard to make a direct connection.

But...What is interesting about Moderna is that they even got into vaccines in the first place. Not much money in that. One of their first big contracts in 2013 was with the gov't. (Anyone interested can google) it was with DARPA to study bioweapons. I know it's important, but if you look at the rest of Moderna's shady and secretive past it makes anyone wonder. BTW, few looked deep into Theranos when it mattered. Those that did were shouted down.

Japan's Defense Ministry has some interesting things to say about the US gov't, Moderna and mRNA.

https://japan-forward.com/speaking-o...orona-vaccine/

In 2017 DARPA invested $100 million toward new gene editing technology. Very ethically controversial technology - CRISPR. Gates coincidentally involved here too. Much has been FOIA'd so it seems accurate (see below - can't support this site but I bet there are more sources) I can certainly see now why his name comes up a lot.

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/art...ve-technology/

Ya bill gates is the owner of most of the farmland in the united states. He went to Africa and told them to stop growing nutritious foods like sweet potatoes and such and talked them into growing gmo corn with tons of pesticides in it. He is also linked to beyond meat and wants people to stop eating real meat which we need for our brains.


Ya it says that before it was too risky for private companies to make a Mrna vaccine. That is where DARPA came in and invested.

I have seen videos of doctors saying do NOT take the mrna vaccines because of its dangers.