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That depends. The risk is not the same for everyone.
There is nobody who has a risk profile worse for vaccines than covid itself. It's not even close.
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Originally Posted by Starglow
Yeah....well tell that to the families of those people who developed blood clots and died. The ratio of people who died doesn't matter....they're now dead because of a vaccine that was supposed to protect them from a virus they may have never contracted in the first place.
The ratio certainly matters. People have died from reactions to antibiotics, people have died from simple tooth surgeries, hell 150 people die every year from taking Tylenol.
It's funny the anti-vaxxers who spend so much time talking about how they aren't worried about covid because their demographic is only 1-in-500 mortality rate are now wailing about a 1-in-a-million mortality side effect from the vaccine.
That depends. The risk is not the same for everyone.
The risk of getting infected is different for everyone. And the risks from being infected is different for everyone. But even with low risk people, the infection is probably more risky than the vaccine. Probably since we don't yet have enough data on kids and younger.
The risk of getting infected is different for everyone. And the risks from being infected is different for everyone. But even with low risk people, the infection is probably more risky than the vaccine. Probably since we don't yet have enough data on kids and younger.
According to former Pfizer Vice President and Chief Science Officer Dr. Mike Yeadon, “protection is needed only by those at notably elevated risk of death from the virus. In those people, there might even be an argument that the risks are worth bearing,” he said. “But those in good health and younger than 60 years, even perhaps a little older, don’t perish from the virus. In this large group, it’s wholly unethical to administer something novel and for which the potential for unwanted effects after a few months is completely uncharacterized.”
Additionally, there are serious health risks associated with the vaccine that the general public has not discussed, according to Yeadon and Bhakdi. For example, Bhakdi asserted that the vaccine increases the risk of blood clotting in those who take it. After the vaccine enters the bloodstream, it binds to cells that line blood vessels and induces them to produce the virus protein. Then, Bhakdi said, “many copies of the virus spike will appear on the cell surface. These may directly bind and activate blood platelets, which will trigger blood clotting.”
We also still don’t know why women are reporting much heavier menstrual cycles post vaccine, including periods for post menopausal women. To act like these vaccines are so safe at this point in time is irresponsible. This is an experiment at this point.
We also still don’t know why women are reporting much heavier menstrual cycles post vaccine, including periods for post menopausal women. To act like these vaccines are so safe at this point in time is irresponsible. This is an experiment at this point.
Yes, and that last part is what's really scaring us the most. Interfering with menstrual cycles is often a sign of something that could affect fertility longer term. We have no idea what long term effects might be with the vaccine but this would be among most disasterous. Imagine we force tens of millions of American kids and young adults to get one of these experimental vaccines and esp. the mrna vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, and then ten years later we find out there's some subtle damage that built up and "oops, now most of the people who got the vaccine are infertile". Americans would be so angry it would make the most violent periods of the French revolution seem like a picnic by comparison. Would be wise to really be 100% sure about this before advising vaccine for younger people esp in child-bearing age. Especially now that even Pfizer and Moderna CEOs are admitting the vaccines become less and less useful with time, and boosters almost certain needed.
We also still don’t know why women are reporting much heavier menstrual cycles post vaccine, including periods for post menopausal women. To act like these vaccines are so safe at this point in time is irresponsible. This is an experiment at this point.
Side effects including clotting are way more common and serious with the natural infection vs vaccinations.
Menstrual irregularities certainly warrant attention and monitoring, but are an inconvenience as compared to the potential for serious disease and death with the natural disease.
"Because of the extent of the prior immunity, and as a result of heterogeneity of contacts, once only a low percentage of the population, perhaps as low as 10-20% had been infected, “herd immunity” was established. This is why daily deaths, which were rising exponentially, turned abruptly and began to fall, uninterrupted by street protests, the return to work, the reopening of pubs and crowded beaches during the summer. "
"This expert, third-party estimate was remarkably accurate – it predicted that there would be a total of 40k deaths from COVID-19. I believe this is in fact correct and is what has happened."
Of course UK went on to have a far worse surge in December/January, and is at 150k deaths and counting. That's the guy you're hailing as expect.
Side effects including clotting are way more common and serious with the natural infection vs vaccinations.
Menstrual irregularities certainly warrant attention and monitoring, but are an inconvenience as compared to the potential for serious disease and death with the natural disease.
You’re repeating talking points. I don’t think we know which is more dangerous at this point.
Yes, and that last part is what's really scaring us the most. Interfering with menstrual cycles is often a sign of something that could affect fertility longer term. We have no idea what long term effects might be with the vaccine but this would be among most disasterous. Imagine we force tens of millions of American kids and young adults to get one of these experimental vaccines and esp. the mrna vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, and then ten years later we find out there's some subtle damage that built up and "oops, now most of the people who got the vaccine are infertile". Americans would be so angry it would make the most violent periods of the French revolution seem like a picnic by comparison. Would be wise to really be 100% sure about this before advising vaccine for younger people esp in child-bearing age. Especially now that even Pfizer and Moderna CEOs are admitting the vaccines become less and less useful with time, and boosters almost certain needed.
There were experts who raised concerns before the vaccine came out to the general public in regards to infertility. They were ignored and shouted down. I’m concerned.
Natural infection has way more potential for serious health and life issues.
The UK really didnt want to restrict the AZ shot b/c of the Oxford connection, alot of pride on the line. Its an exceedingly rare blood clot, BUT they did it. They claimed people under 30 were at less risk to covid than the shot. Manyt countries restricted it to over 60, even though they are vaccine poor.
Now Oxford has put out a hit piece on the mRNA shots to stick up for their vax. They claim PVT clots are 30x more common in mRNA.
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