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Old 04-27-2021, 08:25 AM
 
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Speaking of investigating origins...also political motivation/bias/having an agenda issues...the NBC prime time special that aired last week called, "Roll Up Your Sleeves" encouraging vaccination was sponsored by Walgreens. (surprise! NOT)

Their name was all over it. Do some naively think that is going unnoticed by all of the public? They are discrediting their own message every day.

https://news.walgreens.com/our-stori...accination.htm
A very timely and legitimate medical need, and a related and legitimate advertiser. Having Walgreens stores about everywhere, and the need for vaccinations everywhere, IMO it is a good medical and business relationship.

IMO more confusion of politics vs the medical. Which is in the best interests of patients and communities.

 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:30 AM
 
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According to you they are dying less often. They are not.
Never said that. Learn to read.

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From your link:
Why did you completely ignore the excerpt I posted, which completely contradicted you? It states that chronic exposure to pathogens leads to more robust T-cell generation and response, explaining (in part) why Africans don't have as much severe disease.

Yes, age, obesity is one factor. But so is the above. Stop ignoring things not convenient for you. Stop trying to misrepresent arguments, when you lose. Stop being dishonest. Are you paid by the vaccine manufacturers?
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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A very timely and legitimate medical need, and a related and legitimate advertiser. Having Walgreens stores about everywhere, and the need for vaccinations everywhere, IMO it is a good medical and business relationship.

IMO more confusion of politics vs the medical. Which is in the best interests of patients and communities.
There is no confusion. This pandemic has been politicized in the US.
The problem is discerning who has an agenda, which of the thousands of "medical experts" to believe, etc.
Fauci says one thing while the CDC says another.

Mask, no mask. 6 feet, 3 feet. Mask outdoors, mask indoors. Mask after getting a shot, ok for no mask after getting a shot. Church gatherings are super spreaders but protest marches aren't .

And not everyone keeps up with the constant changes. Some locales have restrictions in place that we had last April while others are 100% open.

And people wonder why there is non belief, why people are throwing in the towel and going back to normal life ?
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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A very timely and legitimate medical need, and a related and legitimate advertiser. Having Walgreens stores about everywhere, and the need for vaccinations everywhere, IMO it is a good medical and business relationship.

IMO more confusion of politics vs the medical. Which is in the best interests of patients and communities.
It's not political in this instance at all. People will be more inclined to trust a neutral advertising source. Walgreens is anything but neutral.
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:43 AM
 
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There is no confusion. This pandemic has been politicized in the US.
The problem is discerning who has an agenda, which of the thousands of "medical experts" to believe, etc.
Fauci says one thing while the CDC says another.

Mask, no mask. 6 feet, 3 feet. Mask outdoors, mask indoors. Mask after getting a shot, ok for no mask after getting a shot. Church gatherings are super spreaders but protest marches aren't .

And not everyone keeps up with the constant changes. Some locales have restrictions in place that we had last April while others are 100% open.

And people wonder why there is non belief, why people are throwing in the towel and going back to normal life ?
Follow the medical and there you will find the Dems/Libs. In general of course.
And as the Pandemic evolves, the data and then medial recommendations change.
As everyone and every locale has differing risks that change over time, it is not easy keeping up.
And harder making more broad medical recommendations.
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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It's not political in this instance at all. People will be more inclined to trust a neutral advertising source. Walgreens is anything but neutral.
But you deny that they are very appropriate?
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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The problem with much current Pandemic related discussions is that one side, mainly the farther right, has been leaning on politically motivated and unvetted medical misinformation channels for their sudden new 'knowledge'.

And the reason this has occurred is based on a huge fallacy, since Trump lost. The farther right has been convinced that the Dem/Lib's Pandemic response is based on politics. When it is based more simply on the medical. And that medical side is based on long standing and vetted, peer reviewed science and medically based studies and data. Along with long standing related medical, infectious, epidemiological and Pandemic experience.

I have never seen so much failing and false intellectualism in my whole medical life. The reason it is sticking, is political, not truly intellectual. And that is my personal problem, since as a doc I am here to inform, and recommend the medical that is in the best interests of patients and communities. I think it tragedy to make these decisions based on medical misinformation.

My recommendation is that 'truthers' should more fully investigate the origins of their new found 'knowledge'.
There is no long standing studies on wearing masks to reduce infections. In fact, many experts completely disagree. For example Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of Sweden, who spent his life combatting infectious diseases, like Ebola and Influenza viruses, disagrees, and resisted any mask mandates in Sweden.

The problem is we don't have true open discussion. We have propaganda, couched in "believe science", and other bumper sticker slogans. We're not truly debating issues, just being told what to do and what to believe.

That's not science, that's not what we do in liberal democratic society. More like dictatorships.
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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Follow the medical and there you will find the Dems/Libs. In general of course.
And as the Pandemic evolves, the data and then medial recommendations change.
As everyone and every locale has differing risks that change over time, it is not easy keeping up.
And harder making more broad medical recommendations.
I disagree that the Dems/liberals are all following the science. They are following authority and authority is not always in line with the science.
 
Old 04-27-2021, 08:59 AM
 
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There is no long standing studies on wearing masks to reduce infections. In fact, many experts completely disagree. For example Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of Sweden, who spent his life combatting infectious diseases, like Ebola and Influenza viruses, disagrees, and resisted any mask mandates in Sweden.

The problem is we don't have true open discussion. We have propaganda, couched in "believe science", and other bumper sticker slogans. We're not truly debating issues, just being told what to do and what to believe.

That's not science, that's not what we do in liberal democratic society. More like dictatorships.
Exactly. In addition to the science on masks being far from settled as we have been told, the science on drugs like ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine have been politicized in favor of treatments that will make people rich, that’s not science, it’s politics and greed. Many of the people who claim to be following the science are incredibly ignorant and are truly only following authority.
 
Old 04-27-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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There is no confusion. This pandemic has been politicized in the US.
The problem is discerning who has an agenda, which of the thousands of "medical experts" to believe, etc.
Fauci says one thing while the CDC says another.

Mask, no mask. 6 feet, 3 feet. Mask outdoors, mask indoors. Mask after getting a shot, ok for no mask after getting a shot. Church gatherings are super spreaders but protest marches aren't .

And not everyone keeps up with the constant changes. Some locales have restrictions in place that we had last April while others are 100% open.

And people wonder why there is non belief, why people are throwing in the towel and going back to normal life ?
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