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Old 04-14-2021, 09:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaThunder View Post
I disagree that a majority of voters think the election was stolen. I think probably much of the Republican base may believe that, but in general I believe most people know that it was a fair election. Many were just sick to death of tRump's incessant lies, belittling comments and chaos.
Multiple States not following their own nor the Constitution of the United States resulting in votes counted that never would have by not meeting the proper criteria is quite a causer of doubt.
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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From 2 months ago

In Two-Thirds of Election Lawsuits Where Merits Considered Decisions Are Favorable to Trump
Of the 81 cases, 11 were withdrawn or consolidated and 23 were dismissed for lack of standing or on other grounds. Both the cohort of 11 and of 23 should not be considered “wins or losses for either side,” Droz says, because they “have nothing to do with the merits of the case.”

This leaves 47 cases. Of those 47, 22 have been finalized after the court heard arguments, considered evidence, and then issued a ruling. Of those 22, Trump or Republicans won 15 and lost 7, according to the analysis. This leaves 25 lawsuits that have yet to be finally disposed of.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-...lMapyy81JIoXqA

update dunno how new it is (says 3/26/21)
http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Electio...tion_Cases.htm

16 of 23 cases decided on merit went Trumps way. Decided on Merits means the Plaintiff was able to argue the facts of the case, and, if applicable, given opportunity to present evidence via Discovery.
Completely wrong
In your 2nd link, only 30 cases are even listed after the election. Most of those have been dismissed for various reasons, and the "wins" by team Trump have been minor either procedural victories or in NY or DC which Trump got clobbered in.
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:55 PM
 
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There was no cheating. I know many of you love Trump but he is no Reagan who won over pretty much the whole country. You can't expect to win when you only appeal to your base. Some red states are starting to turn blue. Some blue states may be starting to turn red. Who knows.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:00 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A good example of election fraud was here locally. I'm going to go back and find my old post on this. But, the Republican candidate won the election by 512 votes with ALL precicents counted. The next day, they found 1200 votes for the democrat, the next day they found another 2500 votes for the democrat, none for the republican. It ended up that the democrat won by over several thousand votes. Nothing to see here folks, move along !
(sigh) OK, time to school yet another wishful thinker....

Democrats keep repeating "There's no evidence of election fraud!" Oh, really? How many examples would you like?

Sworn testimony from eyewitnesses, affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, videos, etc. etc.

This post could be hundreds of pages long. Here are just a few examples. You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical question, they would NEVER be convinced).

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https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...0Authority.pdf
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11. In Michigan, a preliminary report, conducted by Russell James Ramsland, Jr. of Allied Security Operations Group, LLC (“ASOG”), summarizing the results of ASOG’s court-ordered forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems equipment used in Antrim County, Michigan, was released on December 14, 2020. A copy of this report is attached hereto as Exhibit A. The report delivers the following preliminary conclusion:

We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.

Exh. A, ¶ B(2), p. 1. This Interim Report finds that the Dominion software was updated between the November 3, 2020 election and the subsequent recounts and that the updated software inexplicably produced wildly different results from the election day version. Id. at ¶ B(3), p. 2.
....to provide just one example among hundreds.

As usual, liberals have claimed a "hand recount" of paper ballots (which were printed out after voting by the same voting machines under investigation, not by the voters) somehow cleared the Dominion voting machines.

* Does that mean that it is no longer true that records and logs are missing?

* Does it mean that the machines no longer put out wildly differing counts before and after a firmware upgrade?

* Does it mean that logs produced during the forensic analysis no longer showed that a section of code that deliberately weighed Biden votes differently from Trump votes was active and running during the election and subsequent counting?

They seem to be claiming that these things are somehow "no longer true". No explanation for this has been given.

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At State Farm Arena in Atlanta, GA on the day of the election, Surveillance video showed workers counting ballots with Republican and Democrat observers present.

At time tick 10:40 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9cSboHHS8
attorney Jacki Pick shows the video and narrates it.

At approx. 11:00PM, a woman with long blonde hair is seen talking to a number of the workers and observers. Shortly afterward, all the observers and most of the workers are seen turning and heading for the exit, except for four workers who stayed. Witnesses have described in sworn statements that the woman with long blonde hair had told everyone that everyone was quitting for the night and would resume ballot-counting etc. the following morning.

But the GA Secretary of State’s office later said that no one had told them they were quitting for the night, and that everyone should leave.

"We have launched an investigation into why the monitors from the political parties left before scanning ended," the secretary of state's office said. "While it was their right to leave early, we want to make certain they were not misled into thinking scanning had stopped for the night when it had not."
https://www.thecentersquare.com/geor...598f7c336.html

The Secretary of State’s representative making this statement was not sworn to tell the truth, unlike witnesses who WERE sworn and made statements saying they WERE told that everybody was to leave.

Atlanta election officials have since said that the videos show “normal ballot procedures”, as though counting ballots after sending the observers out of the room, in flat violation of Georgia law, was somehow “normal”.

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Rudy Giuliani gave a press conference on Nov. 19, 2020 in which he described various direct evidence of fraud. 60 different people swore out affidavits, under penalty of perjury, that they had volunteered to come to the ballot-counting rooms to observe the counting and tabulating of ballots; and that they had been physically prevented from doing so, in violation of state laws.

Fast forward this video to the 12:40 mark and listen to hear it.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?478246...plans-lawsuits

Giuliani also mentioned a woman in Michigan named Jessie Jacob whose job was to collect mail-in ballots, who signed a similar affidavit (again under penalty of perjury) that her supervisor had ordered her and the other employees to deliberately falsify the date on the mail-in ballots, to reflect an earlier date than the actual date they were mailed. Again in flat violation of Michigan state election law.
See the above video at 16:20 to hear about it.

Giuliani has dozens of other sworn affidavits from other employees, volunteers etc. describing illegal behavior with ballots. Being sworn before an office of the court, under threat of the penalty for perjury, these are all direct evidence of violations of election law and ballot fraud. Giuliani and the rest of Trump’s legal team are collecting more and more such evidence as time goes on.

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So much for endless repetitions of "There isn't any evidence". You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical questions, they would NEVER be convinced).

Leftists who keep insisting there is “no evidence of fraud or election lawbreaking”, are either astoundingly ignorant of the truth, or are aware of the truth and are lying to you, trying to fool you into believing there is none.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:04 PM
 
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Interesting......why many feel democrats cheated in 2020



Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the United States Supreme Court. The four states exploited the COVID-19 pandemic to justify ignoring federal and state election laws and unlawfully enacting last-minute changes, thus skewing the results of the 2020 General Election.

https://www.apg-wi.com/spooner_advoc...708ce5f74.html
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:11 PM
 
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Politics has become so boring recently. What a refreshing change!
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:23 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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If you compare the county voting maps in 2016 and 2020, the party vote was essentially identical. In 2016, the last President won Michigan and Pennsylvannia by the narrowest of margins -- less than 1%. Both were won by Biden by more than 1%. The last President's approval rating was 45% in 2017, then 34% when he left office. I think it's clear that enough voters disapproved of him to swing the vote to Biden, even without this supposed "cheating". Occam's razor applies; it is a sufficient explanation that he lost enough votes to lose the election in key states.
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Old 04-15-2021, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well the source is ultimately Rasmussen, the poll that makes a lot of money telling Rs the kind of story they want to hear.
So why not go to Rasmussen? I did.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters say Biden won the 2020 presidential election fairly, but 61% of Republicans say Biden did not win the election fairly.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...elected_fairly
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Old 04-15-2021, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Interesting.......

A Majority of Voters Think Cheating Affected the Results of the 2020 Election

The Supreme Court may have refused to hear any challenges to the 2020 presidential election, but that may prove to be a huge mistake as a majority of voters believe that cheating affected the outcome of the presidential election.

According to Rasmussen Reports, “Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republicans believe it is likely last year’s presidential election was affected by cheating, a view shared by 30% of Democrats and 51% of voters not affiliated with either major party.”


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...nk-so-n1440003
I would say a majority of rightwing extremists believe the election was rigged.

Media bias of PJmedia

Questionable Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Failed Fact Checks

MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/

Rasmussen is nothing more then a paid pollster to pump GOP numbers during an election.

My hope is all those people who are still crying about Trump's loss they don't bother to vote in the next election why vote if it's rigged.
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Old 04-15-2021, 05:18 AM
 
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POTUS Trump repeatedly told us for years cheating would happen. Why did the Republican party not do anything to prevent it?

If the Democrats cheated, why did they not do a better job so they could have a larger win in the senate and house?

How many red states went for Biden?

All that has been presented here has been explained and discounted. Just exactly like it was in republican appointed judges courtrooms.

The big lie delusion runs deep. And it will destroy this country.
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