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Old 04-15-2021, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
Agreed. I also say it's time to do away with illegal narcotics and gun control laws, since these laws hurt the Black community the most, and often times is the reason why the prisons are filled.

 
Old 04-15-2021, 04:58 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
Small safety issues can turn into deadly ones. Never cut corners when it comes to safety.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:00 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
You can't be series - NOBODY would! Nobody.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:01 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
The difference in traveling and driving...
They only have jurisdiction if you are using the roadway for profit.

My car is NOT a "Motor Vehicle"

USC Title 18, § 31 9(6) - Definition of "Motor Vehicle":
"The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers and property, or property or cargo."

USC Title 18, § 31(10) - Definition of "Commercial Purposes":
"The term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of the persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking for profit."

The state cannot change the meaning of “motor vehicle” and “driver” to fit their own needs: "Is the proposition to be maintained, that the constitution meant to prohibit names and not things? That a very important act, big with great and ruinous mischief which is expressly forbidden by words most appropriate for its description; may be performed by the substitution of a name? That the constitution, in one of its most important provisions, may be openly evaded by giving a new name to an old thing? We cannot think so.” […The State] cannot change the name of a thing to avoid the mandates of the Constitution."
----- CRAIG v. MISSOURI, U S 29, 410

What the United States Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, says here is that the state cannot change the meaning of “person traveling” to “driver”, and they cannot change the name or term of “private car,” “pickup” or “motorcycle” to “Motor Vehicle”. You declare original intent to prove your standing!

Another protection provided to you from the beautiful Constitution is the burden of jurisdiction is on them to prove that you were not traveling, but instead driving.

This is not an easy struggle, but you can end up like several others before you, and go as you please without a license, registration, or insurance.

"All citizens must be free to travel throughout the United States uninhibited by statutes, rules, and regulations..."
SHAPIRO v. THOMPSON 394 US 618

"The RIGHT of the citizen TO TRAVEL UPON THE PUBLIC HIGHWAYS and to transport his property thereon, either by horse-drawn carriage OR BY AUTOMOBILE, IS NOT A MERE PRIVILEGE which the city may prohibit or permit at will, BUT IS A COMMON RIGHT."
THOMPSON v. SMITH, 155 Va 367

"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived."
CHICAGO MOTOR COACH v. CHICAGO, 169 NE 221

”If the state does convert your right into a privilege and issue a license and charge a fee for it, you can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity.”
SHUTTLESWORTH v. BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, 373 US 262
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:02 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
wait a sec ... did he just say what It think he said.

They make money from the working people breaking minor rules.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
Think you answered your own question. It’s revenue collection that goes to the municipality.

Then there’s the “ broken windows theory” towards policing, that Rudy Giuliani pushed while Mayor of NY. It’s all about going for the small petty stuff that allegedly prevents bigger crimes. Rudy and his supporters attribute it to the massive reduction in crime in NYC. Too bad he and supporters ignored that violent crime substantially declined all over the US during the same period, regardless of strategies or lack of strategy employed by Police.

Eric Garner in Staten Island , was suspected of selling loose cigarettes on the street in 2014. Police approached him and attempted to arrest him. Garner pulled his arms away and it was game on. Officer put him into a choke hold. He died. He was a big guy with all sorts of health issues and it likely was a combination of things that killed him.

Those few loose cigarettes cost the city a $5.9 million settlement and the hospital that dispatched an ambulance a $1 million settlement.

Another argument in favor of routine traffic stops is that this is the most common way those evading warrants get caught. And as we now know, occasionally that does not work out well when an officer confuses her gun for a taser.

Taking a fresh look at this stuff is what Obama intends when he urges “ reimagine policing”.

The country is not going to go to hell in a handbag if some goofy sells loose cigarettes on the street.

One would think police would be in favor of a different approach because the status quo is not working.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 8won6 View Post
things like:
expired tags.
minor speeding.
minor traffic violations
"broken tail-lights"

most of this stuff is merely revenue collection and/or extortion via "comply-or-die" rules. Most of this stuff has nothing to do with keeping the public safe.

In New York, back in 2017 when the police stopped going after petty crimes, the crime rates dropped.
Exactly. Snap a picture of the tag and send a ticket.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Agreed. I also say it's time to do away with illegal narcotics and gun control laws, since these laws hurt the Black community the most, and often times is the reason why the prisons are filled.
So you are saying you would be perfectly happy and comfortable with a bunch of drugged up, gun toting criminals hanging out in your neighborhood and living next door to you instead of being safely locked up in jail where the worst they can do is hurt and kill other criminal dirtbags?

I sure as hell am not ok with that. I’m quite happy having these scum safely locked away from me and my family.
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:35 PM
 
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I would hope most cops now are just hiding somewhere and only answering radio calls, not doing proactive policing. Every interaction is a chance to become the next internet sensation or have the city throw you under the bus. Just park somewhere for 20 years, and take reports after the fact.

See a traffic infraction? Take the plate, go give the ticket later at the place of residence or send an equipment violation by mail. It will work perfectly until someone commits a real crime 10 minutes after the police witness the minor infraction and "didn't do anything to stop him."
 
Old 04-15-2021, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yes, ignore the law.

By going after the small stuff NYC was cleaned of ctime and made safe.

Suggest we go back to the slippery slope of increasing crime.

How about shouting from the rooftops, Do not resist arrest!!!!!!!!!!

That would go a lot further that allowing traffic infractions to go by.
Violent crime substantially declined all over the US at the same time, regardless of different police strategies or lack of strategy.

There is no consensus among criminologists who study this stuff as to what caused the huge decline in violent crime all over the US in the same timeframe. None attribute the decline to the broken windows theory that Rudy used.

Subsequent to his retirement, Rudy made a fortune off speaking engagements talking about it.
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