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Maybe you don't quite understand that the Pfizer vaccine was approved based on studies for EUA. The Moderna vaccine was approved on its own merits for release after submitting studies to the FDA. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was approved and released based on studies submitted to the FDA. It was also halted for further study based on post release reports on that vaccine with regards to blood clots based on its own merits.
The person that came up with the 18 points glosses over all the differences and generalizes saying they won't take the vaccine, any vaccine based on that global assessment of the COVID vaccines period. They lump them all together. They erase any differences between vaccines. They don't say yeah I won't take the J&J vaccine and instead I will take the Moderna vaccine. No, they want people not to take any vaccine and that is why THEY are not specific and THEY make global generalized and not only with regards to COVID but all vaccines. It's completely absurd to be lumping them all together from a scientific point of view.
The way that it is supposed to work is that one makes an allegation like blood clots with any specific vaccine like J&J . One then makes scientific studies to determine if that is correct or not. It's on a one to one basis. It is evidence based. What one doesn't do is introduced opinion the global without specific application to any particular vaccine.
Global generalizations like #1 is not specific to COVID. We already talked about that and why that is the case. That argument is not specific to COVID. That argument can be made to any vaccine that has been on the market for 50 years. It is an antivaxxer argument that is global and general pertaining to all vaccines. Governments have been subsidizing vaccine manufacturing for years. People sue the government and that means you and me. You and me pay for the vaccine and you and me pay out of our pockets for adverse events that is not specific for COVID nor any COVID vaccine.
As for #2 the distrust of vaccine manufacturers then there again that has nothing to do with COVID vaccines but the distrust of the companies and not the merit of the product. That is a global generalization as to anything they produce is to be distrusted. That's another anti-vaxxer argument. That has nothing to do with any particular COVID vaccine. No vaccine will pass the no 1 nor no 2 because that is the whole point of being antivaccine. You don't want any vaccine to be given. Rest assured there has never been a vaccine on the market that has fulfilled all 18 of those points, not from Jenner with cow-pox to the present day. None would pass those arbitrary points.
I am not going to go through all of the 18 childish points but suffice to say that they are not specific objections to any specific COVID vaccine and they aren't meant to be. No, none are valid in rejecting the COVID vaccines that have been approved nor any vaccine for that matter. The vaccines have been studied and approved. If there is something wrong with the vaccine then it will be withdrawn which is what happened. It might also be released again.
If you have a favorite antivaxxer point among the 18 you bring it up with a specific COVID vaccine that can be researched then go for it.
They said the same thing about the HPV vaccine and it is starting to save lives now. It has been one big great success story and it will pay bigger and bigger dividends as time goes along.
As I said in a post above, if a statement applies to ALL vaccines (which many of these do), then that INCLUDES the covid vaccines. You are taking the position that unless the statement applies ONLY to a specific covid vaccine, then it's not relevant. If there is reason to distrust the manufacturer of the covid vaccine, then there is reason to distrust the vaccine that manufacturer produces.
Hypothetically, if your banker had been known to steal from hundreds of different customers, would you still trust him with YOUR money simply because he's never stolen from YOU before? Past performance may not be a GUARANTEE of future performance, but it can certainly give some good clues.
As I said in a post above, if a statement applies to ALL vaccines (which many of these do), then that INCLUDES the covid vaccines. You are taking the position that unless the statement applies ONLY to a specific covid vaccine, then it's not relevant. If there is reason to distrust the manufacturer of the covid vaccine, then there is reason to distrust the vaccine that manufacturer produces.
Hypothetically, if your banker had been known to steal from hundreds of different customers, would you still trust him with YOUR money simply because he's never stolen from YOU before? Past performance may not be a GUARANTEE of future performance, but it can certainly give some good clues.
Big, big, big difference there in your hypothetical
If "YOUR banker", speaking of one banker applies specificity. The more appropriate hypothetical that they are using with the 18 is
1) All bankers steal money so one can not trust them. It doesn't matter what banker you get they are all steel.
Name me one vaccine that the author of those 18 points believes is acceptable or approves of? None.
Congratulations on know how to spot an anti-vaxxer opposed to all vaccines. Somebody with specific concerns against a specific vaccine I do not call an anti-vaxxer.
It's like polio, know how you're always worried you're going to get polio, or someone you love will get polio? It's frightening, isn't it? Oh wait, it isn't frightening, because the polio vaccine wiped it out, and you don't have to worry about it anymore.
I've had both doses of Pfizer and guess what? No problems, and guess what, when I signed the form to get it, I was told about its FDA approval status, and guess what? I did it anyway because we're in a goddamn PANDEMIC and I don't want to get it or spread it to anybody else.
Personal responsibility is apparently a thing of the past for some people.
It’s fun to see a democrat preach about “personal responsibility”
It's like polio, know how you're always worried you're going to get polio, or someone you love will get polio? It's frightening, isn't it? Oh wait, it isn't frightening, because the polio vaccine wiped it out, and you don't have to worry about it anymore.
I've had both doses of Pfizer and guess what? No problems, and guess what, when I signed the form to get it, I was told about its FDA approval status, and guess what? I did it anyway because we're in a goddamn PANDEMIC and I don't want to get it or spread it to anybody else.
Personal responsibility is apparently a thing of the past for some people.
I got the vaccine also. I had covid in December and got very ill. If this lessons the chances of that happening again I will be happy. I did it for my benefit. And I feel fine.
I read the 18 points. Its the same rehashed nonsense. Fauci is evil, Big Pharma is evil and dangerous and Covid really did not kill that many people. I am not a fan of Fauci or Big Pharma. I am a fan of protecting myself from harm.
This opinion piece has no alternative solution. They admit the virus is mutating and changing so herd immunity is not happening. There is no easy solution. Either get the vaccine and risk potentially getting side effects or do nothing and risk dying.
My gut feeling is we have years and years to go before covid will no longer be a big worry. Welcome to the new world reality.
I thought this opinion piece could stimulate some discussion. The points I think are especially strong are the first two - why are we suddenly so trusting of pharmaceutical corporations? - and #16 about the lack of permitting debate and dissent against the approved narrative.
Wow -- thanks for posting that, which listed why I am resistant to taking the vaccine (for now, at lest) and added several more reasons to the half-dozen or so reasons that were already in my mind.
I am now going to read the comments posted in this thread, and I expect to find many people arguing with an OPINION that is based on at least some facts. (I expect to be entertained by those comments.)
This opinion piece has no alternative solution. They admit the virus is mutating and changing so herd immunity is not happening. There is no easy solution. Either get the vaccine and risk potentially getting side effects or do nothing and risk dying.
There are doctors who actually care about their oath and have been keeping up. Ivermectin prevents replication regardless of mutation(start in at 5:45).
Texas Physician/Researchers Case Series Finds Reduction in COVID-19 Hospitalization by 87.6% & Death 74.9% - link
Don't assume that everyone that declines to take the vaccine is anti-vax. The decision to take it should be based on each individual's personal health history and situation. But do not bully me for choosing to not get the vaccine.
I think it is very terrifying how fascist people are over this and they have no shame about it.
I am also not necessarily anti vax. I have a few health issues that make needless vaccination risky.
My big complaint is that i do not believe the coronavirus death statistics. I need someone to go though the data and really report on them (is any media agency doing this??) I want to be able to know exactly who died -- and exactly who they were.
Were they obese?
Did they have diabetes?
Did they have other conditions that make them weaker?
When they were admitted to the hospital did they have covid -- or did they GET covid in the hospital?
Until I have more than just numbers I refuse to believe them. I don't know anyone personally who has died or gotten seriously ill from covid in over a year... though I know many people who got covid.
If someone chooses not to take the vaccine and the consequences of that decision are borne entirely by them, I'm completely fine with them making that decision.
If that decision puts other people's lives or livelihoods in harm's way, then it's not unreasonable that the people not being vaccinated have negative consequences coming their way.
Just as I would be okay with someone drinking 5 bottles of vodka and puking their guts out alone in the privacy of their own home but not okay with them driving an automobile on public roads after doing so.
The further along this goes, as the vaccine becomes more accessible to hard-to-reach groups, and the more that variants threaten to start the whole vicious cycle over again because the vaccines are less effective when less of the population is immunized, the less patient the segment of society taking the vaccine and other precautionary measures will become towards those who refuse to do so without a legitimate medical reason.
I thought this opinion piece could stimulate some discussion. The points I think are especially strong are the first two - why are we suddenly so trusting of pharmaceutical corporations? - and #16 about the lack of permitting debate and dissent against the approved narrative.
Back in the 60's and 70's I worked in Corporate for a Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical. During the 1976 Flu "Pandemic", when President Ford was rolling up his sleeve on TV to convince public to get their shot, it was crickets at work which nobody talked about. If the subject was mentioned at all, you were met with frowns. Although one Manager did say, "Great Marketing Campaign".
I questioned that if flu was so dangerous, why wasn't this Pham giving it to their own employees???? If they could hold yearly Wellness testing in the offices, they couldn't have nurses come in to vaccinate staff?
I was only in my 30's then, but I thought something fishy is going on. Am I alone in former employees of Big Pharms who don't trust them? Call it inside information if you will. BTW, I know all about the billions in profits, and the Race for Government Grants as well.
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