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Old 04-18-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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then that proves it's a scam.....no country would be allowed to increase mercury, arsenic, CFC's....etc etc on and on
..because they are dangerous

so global warning can't be as dangerous as they make it out to be....because the UN/IPCC gave China and the developing countries permission to increase their CO2 emissions..and they have

you can't claim something is this dangerous...and at the same time say it can be increased because other countries were late to the game

either it's as dangerous as they are claiming...or it's not....their actions say it's all a scam

unless you think China and the developing world are all suicidal...because obviously they don't believe one word of it
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:36 AM
 
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Assuming that it is true. Is there also 100% consensus about
1) What should be done about it?
2) Are any planned changes going to make any real changes to the climate.
3) Is global warming actually detrimental or are there positives to it.
4) About whether climate scientists are the ones to decide what changes should be made?
5) ???
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:40 AM
 
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The peer review system seems more like a conformity check than anything else sometimes, especially when dealing with politically charged issues or issues people seek to profit from. It's one thing to believe in the concept of science and another to believe that the scientific method as practiced by human beings will be inherently lacking in bias or outside influence.
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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The peer review system seems more like a conformity check than anything else sometimes, especially when dealing with politically charged issues or issues people seek to profit from. It's one thing to believe in the concept of science and another to believe that the scientific method as practiced by human beings will be inherently lacking in bias or outside influence.
The peer review process is thoroughly flawed, as has been well documented. Here is a link to one such report published by the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine and the NIH:

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:50 AM
 
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China is still a "developing country" so it's allowed to pollute more specifically because it's developing.
They have a low bar regarding emissions.

If the status were to ever change to first world country then they would have to address that and the bar would be raised.
And China is perfectly happy to stay as a developing country and actually got upset at some climate meeting one year when it was suggested that China should move up in status.

China also has the advantage of claiming whatever reductions in green house gases that the international community expects without allowing any outsiders to verify if its true or not.
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:57 AM
 
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The peer review process is thoroughly flawed,
of course it is....it's built in

Your "peers" are people that have also written papers on that subject...or people that have referenced papers on that subject

Try getting them to green light something that disagrees with all of their work

...ain't going to happen
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Old 04-18-2021, 11:01 AM
 
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of course it is....it's built in

Your "peers" are people that have also written papers on that subject...or people that have referenced papers on that subject

Try getting them to green light something that disagrees with all of their work

...ain't going to happen
Or try getting them to greenlight a publication that disagrees with the new "politically correct" orthodoxy on this subject. Can you imagine the backlash from these closed minded and aggressively intolerant people? LOL. It is not happening.

Hence the 100% compliance. This is not science. It is propaganda.
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Old 04-18-2021, 11:10 AM
 
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Or try getting them to greenlight a publication that disagrees with the new "politically correct" orthodoxy on this subject. Can you imagine the backlash from these closed minded and aggressively intolerant people? LOL. It is not happening.

Hence the 100% compliance. This is not science. It is propaganda.
I do believe temperatures are higher than say 50 or 100 years ago for reasons that are not 100% clear. And C02 levels are higher than 50 or 100 years ago due to industrialization. Sure we are pumping more pollution into the atmosphere. But anything beyond that is speculation as well as what or anything should be done about it.

If someone really believes its a dire emergency and action needs to be taken right away then dimming the atmosphere would the right course of action. It would cost very little and not require massive changes on how things are done. Things would cool down almost immediately. Yet there is big resistance to this from the ones screaming from the rooftops. They prefer a very slow long term approach that is extremely expensive and burdensome and make not even work.

That is very telling.
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Old 04-18-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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I do believe temperatures are higher than say 50 or 100 years ago. And C02 levels are higher than 50 or 100 years ago due to industrialization. But anything beyond that is speculation as well as what or anything should be done about it.

If someone really believes its a dire emergency and action needs to be taken right away then dimming the atmosphere would the right course of action. It would cost very little and not require massive changes on how things are done. Things would cool down almost immediately. Yet there is big resistance to this from the ones screaming from the rooftops.

That is very telling.
That is a lunatic proposal and those people do not know what they are doing. The misguided arrogance of those people appears to be truly off the charts.
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Old 04-18-2021, 11:19 AM
 
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That is a lunatic proposal and those people do not know what they are doing. The misguided arrogance of those people appears to be truly off the charts.
Its a control thing. On an international level, UN, etc. There is a feeling its not fair that there are rich and poor countries. So climate change is a vehicle to even things out. Prosperous countries are to blame and wealth transfer to poorer counties it the way to get it done. Not only countries but industries that have been loathed by these people for decades like big oil.

I am not saying that global warming is fake. Only that its being used as a reason to play robin hood.
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