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Old 04-09-2021, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Looks like Weimar style inflation to me.

Housing prices through the roof.

Gas Prices go from $1.89 to $2.87 in a year

Lumber goes from $2.59 to $11.27 in a year

Copper from $2 to $4 in a year

Iron Ore from 81 cents to $1.69 in a year

Freight Cost index from $1,331 to $4,233 in a year.

Cotton goes from 46 cents to 82 cents.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lumber

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/copper

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/iron-ore

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/cotton

https://fbx.freightos.com/

https://gasprices.aaa.com/
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Old 04-09-2021, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yup we all knew this was coming. Anyone over invested into cash is going to get burned, badly.
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Old 04-09-2021, 05:41 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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yeah..I went to HD for some wood for a project and even the crappy framing lumber is sky high.
And to top that off most of the 2x4's were warped; took me forever to find 3 straight pieces.

Those scraps didn't get thrown out either in case I need some wood for a future project. I got a stash started in my garage !
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Old 04-09-2021, 05:59 PM
 
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Uh huh. and im 100% sure some folks think this is the fault of....Biden! Right?

Bwahahah.

Seriously though, there is a issue here. General trucking? 149.7 to...152.2 during bidens term. Trumps went from 124 to 136 while he was in office. From may-Dec of Trumps term it went from 128.2 to 149!

But what the OP provided was the cost of shipping a container. Know what it was the day Biden took office? 4,019. Its up by 5% since he took office.

So whats going on?

Success. Thats what. the DEMAND for freight went up, so the cost spiked. You know....almost like you're in a recovery from a pandemic.

So lets look at lumber. march 1st of 2020, $368. by august 2nd it hit $965. (Trumps still in office and looking for another 4 at that point). $1127 now.

The reason? Well from the OPs link on the topic:

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Chicago lumber futures surged past $1070 per thousand board to a fresh record high as demand is outstripping supply. Since last spring lumber prices have risen 180% as the stay-at-home lifestyle has encouraged homeowners to expand or remodel their existing dwellings and low mortgage rates exacerbated the home-building spree. Meanwhile, recent wildfires in California and Oregon and freezing temperatures in Texas had increased the number of homes needing to be built and limited domestic supply.
Welcome to capitalism.
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Uh huh. and im 100% sure some folks think this is the fault of....Biden! Right?

Anyone who thinks that is wrong. Anyone who think it's because of Trump is also wrong. The President has no power over the Fed.

The real reason is the massive amount of fiat that is constantly being printed, which has accelerated dramatically since early last year. It will take time for the full effects to be felt, but make no mistake it's coming.
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:16 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks that is wrong. Anyone who think it's because of Trump is also wrong. The President has no power over the Fed.

The real reason is the massive amount of fiat that is constantly being printed, which has accelerated dramatically since early last year. It will take time for the full effects to be felt, but make no mistake it's coming.
Yeah,. the freight ones interesting because it went up everywhere internationally by a TON. But freight within the US is pretty flat. I suspect that its shippers slowing their capacity during the pandemic, but now that we are coming out of it the supply of container ships isn't meeting the demand for them. Which is why the shipping costs in the US are fairly flat, but anything hitting the water jumped.

If its just fiat money-its a global issue, not a national one because even the costs from china to the med have skyrocketed.
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Old 04-09-2021, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Anyone who thinks that is wrong. Anyone who think it's because of Trump is also wrong. The President has no power over the Fed.

The real reason is the massive amount of fiat that is constantly being printed, which has accelerated dramatically since early last year. It will take time for the full effects to be felt, but make no mistake it's coming.
The Fed had no power over the virus.

When Covid-19 shut the economy down, everyone should have realized that not all the different sectors of our economy would come back to normal at the same time, at the same rate as things were before, or with the same ease.

Housing is a very complicated industry that requires many different materials. In normal times, all the materials are in pretty much equal supply everywhere. An item or two may be out of stock, but it will arrive very soon. That's the way it has been for years now.

Even though we are in the beginning of a comeback, the country has not returned to our normal pre-Covid times just yet. Right now, shortages in some areas should be expected, surpluses in other areas, and some things will very quickly return to their pre-Covid abundance.
Others will not.

Shortages should be expected, and the shortages are going to be in the least-anticipated areas quite often. As demand spikes, things will get jammed up in the supply chain, accidents will happen, and mistakes will be made. Nothing will be as simple as it once was for quite a while in some things.

It's going to take longer to recover than some folks apparently believe, or accept. There are going to be a few things that will disappear, possibly forever, and there will be other things that will require a year or more to come back to full production.

It will take even longer for the long, complicated international supply chain to fill back up with goods to the point where construction supply will be on a drop-ship ahead of the need basis it was before the pandemic.

So if you still find empty shelves at Home Depot, don't be surprised. And don't blame it on the Fed, or Biden, or Trump, or the Democrats, or the Republicans, or the Communists, or the Chinese.

Covid crawled all over this planet over 2020 and infected all corners of it. A virus is a mindless thing that has no agenda other than to replicate and feed.

Blame it if you must blame something.

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Old 04-09-2021, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Tariffs = trumpflation (Guess what. China does not pay. YOU do.)
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:18 PM
 
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Tariffs = trumpflation (Guess what. China does not pay. YOU do.)
Wrong.

China absorbed trump's tariffs.

The left and media hoped they would pass the cost along but they did not.
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Old 04-09-2021, 07:19 PM
 
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Wrong.

China absorbed trump's tariffs.

The left and media hoped they would pass the cost along but they did not.
sooo...you believe the increased costs....werent passed on? And yet somehow despite the tariffs China actually shipped MORE stuff to us under trump....and just ate the costs?

LOL.
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