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Old 04-19-2021, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Simple solution. Stop providing government assistance to their employees. Most of them will get ambitious enough to either find a better paying job or force these companies to pay higher wages in order to keep employees.
Bingo...it really is that simple, although by the sounds of it there’s a few disgruntled employees that will continue status quo no matter what.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:21 PM
 
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Simple solution. Stop providing government assistance to their employees. Most of them will get ambitious enough to either find a better paying job or force these companies to pay higher wages in order to keep employees.
Yeah, we've been there, done that. But yep, when your employees start starving to death you're going to have to start paying more when you run out of them.

44 hours in return for a living wage after the Great Depression was one of our lessons of history. Bottom up spending is what really drives the economy and has driven American prosperity, not trickle-down as has been preached the last few decades. When the working class doesn't have spending money it's bad news all around eventually. The "essential workers" failed to take advantage of the pandemic and demand better pay or unionize and were bought off with a couple bucks of hero pay for a few months instead. But that sure was a missed opportunity for them.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:26 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with lower wages for students and elderly folks, but those that choose to be an entry level worker for their entire lives and expect it to support their family need to better themselves so they don’t have to get government assistance. If they choose to live such a low paying job cut them off and let them fend for themselves. They’ll then need to get some ambition.
No matter how much ambition the workforce has, there will always be a bottom 3rd. It will always be relative.

As long as they're working full-time that should be enough to survive. Not thrive. Not have the latest phone or tv. That's where the upward momentum, studying for better careers, and second jobs should come in.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:27 PM
 
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So in other words, approximately the same as McDonalds and it’s competitors paid/pay.
I didn’t know how many years ago that posters’ s kids started at CFA at that wage (under $9 per hour), but I was visiting in SC six months ago and I saw a sign in a CFA encouraging people to apply, and the starting wage was posted as $12 per hour. IIRC, the minimum wage in SC is the same as the federal minimum wage...$7.25 per hour.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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No matter how much ambition the workforce has, there will always be a bottom 3rd. It will always be relative.

As long as they're working full-time that should be enough to survive. Not thrive. Not have the latest phone or tv. That's where the upward momentum, studying for better careers, and second jobs should come in.
Nothing that says there can’t be less of them by making themselves more valuable and therefore earning a better wage, while letting students, younger folks, the elderly, etc..., work the lower paying jobs.

That’s your opinion, however, a 40 hour work week has changed greatly in the last 10+ years. You continue to talk of the past rather than realizing how things have changed since 1933.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I didn’t know how many years ago that posters’ s kids started at CFA at that wage (under $9 per hour), but I was visiting in SC six months ago and I saw a sign in a CFA encouraging people to apply, and the starting wage was posted as $12 per hour. IIRC, the minimum wage in SC is the same as the federal minimum wage...$7.25 per hour.
And that’s what most places are offering, and more...but many want us to believe they’re only paying minimum wage...but by the sounds of it, some here are working for that.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:39 PM
 
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McDonalds and Walmart depend on the government to subsidize their employees. That sounds like a socialist business model to me.



Walmart and McDonald’s are among top employers of Medicaid and food stamp beneficiaries, report says
That argument exists because those programs exist.

If the programs didn’t exist, then the people would have to lump it and try to muddle through.

The world still spun around before those programs existed.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with lower wages for students and elderly folks, but those that choose to be an entry level worker for their entire lives and expect it to support their family need to better themselves so they don’t have to get government assistance. If they choose to live such a low paying job cut them off and let them fend for themselves. They’ll then need to get some ambition.

So.. if all "get some ambition", where are going to buy your burgers?
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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Nothing that says there can’t be less of them by making themselves more valuable and therefore earning a better wage, while letting students, younger folks, the elderly, etc..., work the lower paying jobs.

That’s your opinion, however, a 40 hour work week has changed greatly in the last 10+ years. You continue to talk of the past rather than realizing how things have changed since 1933.
Seems you don't understand relativism. There will never be less of them.

So do we throw out the bill of rights because it's not 1791 anymore? Just doomed to repeat history rather than learn?

There aren't enough students, younger folks, the elderly, etc around to staff those jobs. Especially as many of those are only available part-time and not during peak business hours. That's not a sustainable business model.

And yeah no kidding the 40 hr work week has changed. I make a healthy salary in 6 figures in software development, but the reality is closer to a 60-70 hr week for that fixed salary. Meanwhile in Europe they've been going the other way with average work weeks in the 30s and some trying out 4 day work weeks.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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So.. if all "get some ambition", where are going to buy your burgers?
Same places. They’ll automate and need less people.
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