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Old 04-19-2021, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Seems you don't understand relativism. There will never be less of them.

So do we throw out the bill of rights because it's not 1791 anymore? Just doomed to repeat history rather than learn?

There aren't enough students, younger folks, the elderly, etc around to staff those jobs. Especially as many of those are only available part-time and not during peak business hours. That's not a sustainable business model.

And yeah no kidding the 40 hr work week has changed. I make a healthy salary in 6 figures in software development, but the reality is closer to a 60-70 hr week for that fixed salary. Meanwhile in Europe they've been going the other way with average work weeks in the 30s and some trying out 4 day work weeks.
Not when they’re getting free stuff there won’t.

Comparing a quote from 1933 to the Bill of Rights is strawman excuse extraordinaire.

They’ll automate and less employees will be needed.

Sounds like Europe is perfect for you.
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Old 04-19-2021, 09:56 PM
 
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Same places. They’ll automate and need less people.
They would have by now. So they would still need people. Remember everybody has moved on, so who are these people?
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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They would by now. So they would still need people. Remember everybody has moved on, so who are these people?
When did they automate to where they need less people?

Students, elderly, young people, etc...

Nah, everyone won’t move on. There will always be entitled folks that lack ambition and folks defending them.
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:08 PM
 
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When did they automate to where they need less people?

Students, elderly, young people, etc...

Nah, everyone won’t move on. There will always be entitled folks that lack ambition and folks defending them.
You did not understand what I said. They would have done it by now, if it were feasible.

So to sum up, you have no answer.
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:11 PM
 
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Not when they’re getting free stuff there won’t.

Comparing a quote from 1933 to the Bill of Rights is strawman excuse extraordinaire.

They’ll automate and less employees will be needed.

Sounds like Europe is perfect for you.
No, there never will be. Doesn't matter if the bottom is making $5 or $5000, there will always be a bottom. We the People have decided that just letting the bottom starve to death is in poor taste, so we have safety nets. Such safety nets should truly just be for people that fall though. People working full-time in the safety net we all pay for just so profits can be even higher than they would be doesn't make sense.

Yep, and then with automation we're headed for something like UBI...or mass starvation, riots, and guillotines.

If the people don't have a means to survive, they'll take it. Another lesson from history.
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Nothing wrong with lower wages for students and elderly folks, but those that choose to be an entry level worker for their entire lives and expect it to support their family need to better themselves so they don’t have to get government assistance. If they choose to live such a low paying job cut them off and let them fend for themselves. They’ll then need to get some ambition.
Maybe these people did "better themselves" and therefore do not take a job at McDs.
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Maybe these people did "better themselves" and therefore do not take a job at McDs.
If they did, why are you insisting they’re making low wages at McDs?
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:33 PM
 
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If they did, why are you insisting they’re making low wages at McDs?
Unemployment is back at a normal 6%. McDs is having trouble staffing because they are not paying enough for the market, not because freeloaders are choosing to stay home. Many such fast food places have chosen to just reduce their hours of operation and close early instead of making the dollar menu the $1.05 menu or cutting expenses elsewhere.
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Old 04-19-2021, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Unemployment is back at a normal 6%. McDs is having trouble staffing because they are not paying enough for the market, not because freeloaders are choosing to stay home. Many such fast food places have chosen to just reduce their hours of operation and close early instead of making the dollar menu the $1.05 menu or cutting expenses elsewhere.
Many businesses are having trouble staffing and it’s certainly because many freeloaders are choosing to stay home...yet the businesses open up everyday, so it’s not as bad as you’re trying to make it to fit your narrative.
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Old 04-20-2021, 04:50 AM
 
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Yep, and then with automation we're headed for something like UBI...or mass starvation, riots..
Amen, there is a tsunami of terminal unemployment coming, due to automation in food service & retail.. My opinion, that is why there has been so much recent political agitation over food service (minimum) wages and a universal basic income. Honestly, both of these issues would've been widely viewed as comical (and/or irrelevant) until relatively recently.. but it's becoming clear to people who are paying attention, that human beings in food service are facing a mass (not total) extinction. Which is why there's a powerful effort to save/prepare themselves. Touch screen ordering, robotic hostesses and food preparation.

It's callous to me when some people act like fast food jobs are meaningless & automation is a welcomed development. Lot of people will be headed to a demoralizing fate of nothing to do, and terminal government assistance. And honest, entry level work seems to be vanishing. But I wonder what the average person can do to effectively help change this, seems inevitable (?) I do know that services like Door Dash, etc are creating/expanding some (human) jobs tied to fast food, but..
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