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Old 04-21-2021, 08:06 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Count 1 was 2nd degree murder. An intentional act. The jury concluded that Chauvin intended to murder Floyd...
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609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
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§Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.


https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19

 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81 View Post
Civil and criminal guilt are two separate concepts. Did we learn nothing from the OJ Simpson case?
Wasn't the OJ civil ruling well after the criminal trial?

As a rule, municipalities shouldn't make any such settlements until the conclusion of criminal proceedings. Though not directly tied, they absolutely can influence a jury, and just leave something out there for an appeal. The burden of proof in a civil matter is far lower than a criminal trial, so it's easier to win, but it could be damning in the eyes of a criminal jury who may have been on the fence

This isn't even necessarily in respect to just this case. This course of action should be taken for all similar cases.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:17 AM
 
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An appeal will likely fail. The prosecution presented an outstanding case and had a large number of police and medical expert and damning video evidence. The appeal court would have to believe the prosecution’s case was weak and that the jury would not have convicted on the evidence presented if not for waters comment.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:23 AM
 
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Wasn't the OJ civil ruling well after the criminal trial?

As a rule, municipalities shouldn't make any such settlements until the conclusion of criminal proceedings. Though not directly tied, they absolutely can influence a jury, and just leave something out there for an appeal. The burden of proof in a civil matter is far lower than a criminal trial, so it's easier to win, but it could be damning in the eyes of a criminal jury who may have been on the fence

This isn't even necessarily in respect to just this case. This course of action should be taken for all similar cases.
settling after a verdict would result in a higher payout. Smarter and cheaper to settle before. Especially when the chance of conviction is so high.they could never go to civil trial with that video.Settling early probably saved $73 million.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:23 AM
 
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It is passingly strange that anyone anticipated any other outcome. Overwhelming incontrovertible evidence, it's not surprising it only took a day for the jury to reach their decision. Prosecutors had any easy job in this case, open and shut.

It's great to see that Chauvin was made accountable for his actions. We need to get ALL the sadistic power and control sociopaths off our police forces.

Next!
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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That’s assuming he wins that nasty court case with the IRS. Not likely. You know it is against the law to not report income to lie about state residency and to not file your taxes. Oops.
Chauvin is a crook and a criminal. He dishonored the badge and hid behind it to commit acts against the law.

Probably more crimes that Chauvin committed that we just don't know about.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:34 AM
 
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Chauvin was found guilty by its pears. But there is a problem justice was not blind. Justice was influenced by public outcry, riots, influence from political figures no way this was a fair trial. But the system has found him guilty and now he has to use all avenues to overturn this. Soon we will see the same thing with the Columbus shooting. Riots, political figures stepping in to sway a Prosecutor to file charges against the officer that saved another persons life.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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An appeal will likely fail. The prosecution presented an outstanding case and had a large number of police and medical expert and damning video evidence. The appeal court would have to believe the prosecution’s case was weak and that the jury would not have convicted on the evidence presented if not for waters comment.
It may even be a lower standard, the defense may only need to show that there is reasonable doubt or it's unknowable how the jury would have ruled on the evidence without the improper comments. That would at least be enough for a retrial probably. But I agree, I doubt they will even manage that on appeal. The evidence was strong.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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They should appeal and all things being fair the charges should be reversed based on Biden’s senile mouth and timing. But they won’t be.

Shouldn’t be sentencing people based on threats of rioting. Let them riot. These liberal towns that allow rioting to go rampant deserve it. Start with the clown mayor in Chicago.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 09:07 AM
 
Location: FL
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People get fired all the time for not being in agreement with democrats especially in something BLM related. The risk is there for a juror to be fired or blacklisted if they acquit in a case like this. The only risk free move was to convict.
Do you have any links to prove that?
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