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So we agree that to respond to his "ploy" would have cost the officers nothing with respect to their arrest, and even their overall control of the detainee, but likely would have saved Floyd's life.
Not exactly a "ploy" to be dismissed out of hand, then. I think we both agree the argument I was responding to is nonsense in this context, then?
Now the "why" he started saying it prior to being on the ground with Chauvin's knee on his neck? I dunno. Maybe he really was claustrophobic - he said that at one point, too, right? People having anxiety/panic attacks frequently experience that very sensation, no?
Point being, the reasonable course of action was to get him out of the vehicle, get him calm, and then complete the arrest. Call for a larger transport vehicle if necessary, I'm sure Minneapolis PD has something larger than a cruiser or SUV in their motor pool.
What is not reasonable is to remain kneeling on a detainee's neck for 9+ minutes, LONG after he has stopped physically resisting.
An appeal will likely fail. The prosecution presented an outstanding case and had a large number of police and medical expert and damning video evidence. The appeal court would have to believe the prosecution’s case was weak and that the jury would not have convicted on the evidence presented if not for waters comment.
I don't know that I'll post anymore on this thread as it's just too depressing for words. George Floyd was killed and his family will never see him again. Derek Chauvin's life has changed forever, and he certainly won't have a life like he used to. I kept waking up last night thinking of both families and how it's all just so tragic. It's the little things as well as the big things. No more Christmas mornings, no more donuts for breakfast, no more having your pet sleep beside you. Anyway, I know some may laugh at my simplicity, but these are the things that break my heart, no matter whose side you take.
Yes, things need to change with policing, but I acknowledge that cops have to make split-second decisions that can change lives forever. I don't know what the answer is, as situations like these are way above any expertise I have.
I believe in this instance that the verdict was just. For whatever reason Chauvin decided to stay on Floyd's neck. Had he turned him onto his side, administered CPR when he was in distress, called an ambulance, any number of things, this situation may have turned out differently.
Anyway, thanks for letting me get this off my chest. I'll leave you all to it.
They should appeal and all things being fair the charges should be reversed based on Biden’s senile mouth and timing. But they won’t be.
Shouldn’t be sentencing people based on threats of rioting. Let them riot. These liberal towns that allow rioting to go rampant deserve it. Start with the clown mayor in Chicago.
Biden spoke after the verdict.
No one was sentencing people based on threats. They were going by the evidence that was provided.
3. BLM said they were going to burn down the country
4. No juror in their right mind would put themselves and their community at risk and had no choice.
The cop is a trophy head on the wall of liberalism.
I thought you expected differently. Didn’t you post often about he was not going to be found guilty or am I mixing you up with another poster? You start that giant sticky thread if I’m remembering correctly.
Is this some revisionist history on your part?
I’m surprised it took the jury that long , I’m sure their minds were all made up from day one what they were going to have to do , too scared to vote any other way , too bad all those people testifying was a waste of time , jury knew it too , I’m sure they fell asleep through most of it ,
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