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Old 04-21-2021, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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For starters, I doubt the Koreans are inflating their numbers like the United States is. Second, Korea’s proximity to China probably makes Koreans better able to handle viruses like this. Third, they aren’t fat slobs like most Americans and we know that obesity is the driving factor behind the vast majority of COVID hospitalizations and death.

Are you going to answer my question?
Maybe the states with mask mandates tend to be the more densely populated ones, and thus are more likely for the virus to be spread. Maybe the death toll would have been worse if there had been more mandates. Or maybe I just don't know. Do you? Are you suggesting that mask mandates correlate to higher death rates? If so, why?

 
Old 04-21-2021, 12:28 PM
 
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Is it true that the Egyptian pharoahs made their slaves wear masks to indicate their low status?


Is it true that Satanists wear masks and stand six feet apart during their rituals?
 
Old 04-21-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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For starters, I doubt the Koreans are inflating their numbers like the United States is. Second, Korea’s proximity to China probably makes Koreans better able to handle viruses like this. Third, they aren’t fat slobs like most Americans and we know that obesity is the driving factor behind the vast majority of COVID hospitalizations and death.
Close proximity to epicenter makes it easier to handle? What?

South Korea obesity rate: 33.8%
NYC obesity rate: 22%

Some policy differences account for this. But generally it's because of widespread adoption of medical advice and it wasn't a divisive political issue. The issue is just that we have a stubborn streak a mile long and us vs them politics. Even in our "draconian" states with mandates compliance was not great and there was little to no enforcement.

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Old 04-21-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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Maybe the states with mask mandates tend to be the more densely populated ones, and thus are more likely for the virus to be spread. Maybe the death toll would have been worse if there had been more mandates. Or maybe I just don't know. Do you? Are you suggesting that mask mandates correlate to higher death rates? If so, why?
Regardless of the correlation between mask mandates and _higher_ death rates, one perplexing observation is that mask mandates don't necessarily correlate with _lower_ death rates. You yourself say that things like population density might be more of the deciding factor. If that supposition is true, then isn't the broader issue the situation that policy makers seem to be simply betting the farm on mask mandates (which are easy and straight forward to declare) and summarily ignoring solving for other, potentially more impactful, actions? All the more so when they are bolstered by "the science" even if doesn't match "reality"?
 
Old 04-21-2021, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Regardless of the correlation between mask mandates and _higher_ death rates, one perplexing observation is that mask mandates don't necessarily correlate with _lower_ death rates. You yourself say that things like population density might be more of the deciding factor. If that supposition is true, then isn't the broader issue the situation that policy makers seem to be simply betting the farm on mask mandates (which are easy and straight forward to declare) and summarily ignoring solving for other, potentially more impactful, actions? All the more so when they are bolstered by "the science" even if doesn't match "reality"?
I have to wonder what "other, potentially more impactful, actions" they might have taken? I do believe that masks help. They're not a cure-all, but they help. Maybe I'm wrong. But there must be a reason (likely more than one) that Seoul's death rate is so much lower than New York's, even making allowances for number fudging. I do know that mask-wearing was pretty much universal there, and had nothing to do with political differences. It's true that South Korea is a more collectivist society and the United States is a more individualistic society, and I think that a collectivist mindset is better suited to tackling a pandemic. In other words, "we're all in this together" would tend to resonate more over there than it does here. But, regardless, we would do well to research what worked and what didn't, both here and abroad, so that we can be better prepared next time something like this hits.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 12:50 PM
 
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Yeah, disappointing this got turned into a Democrat vs Republican thing and conspiracy theories ran wild. As if there was a sudden worldwide collective decision to try to get everyone to wear masks for...reasons.

Have doubts? Ask your own doctor about it, not some politician...or YouTube.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Because they are morons who don't understand the concept of an acceptable risk, much like the people who drive around in their cars alone wearing cloth masks.
You're supposed to handle your mask as little as possible. It's related to the reason why they tell you not to touch your face. In addition, at the same time you may be protecting yourself from bacteria, such as the kind that causes strep throat. Strep throat is bad and likely requires antibiotics prescribed after a doctor's exam, in case you never had strep throat before.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The CDC recently said that there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of COVID transmission on surfaces. Handling your cloth mask to take it off in the car is an acceptable risk. But thank you for proving my point.
From mask maker 3M:

file:///C:/Users/TMS/Desktop/multimedia.pdf

"Don’t take your face mask on and off.
Once your mask is on, keep it on. Even if you are just getting back
in your car between errands, removing your mask can get it dirty
and allow potentially harmful particulates near your nose and
mouth when you put it on again."
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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From mask maker 3M:

file:///C:/Users/TMS/Desktop/multimedia.pdf

"Don’t take your face mask on and off.
Once your mask is on, keep it on. Even if you are just getting back
in your car between errands, removing your mask can get it dirty
and allow potentially harmful particulates near your nose and
mouth when you put it on again."
The mask maker also says that the mask doesn't prevent transmission of COVID-19. Why don't you share that little tidbit with the group?

Are you still leaving your mail and Amazon packages in the garage for 3 days?
 
Old 04-21-2021, 03:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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...This study is even on the CDC and NIH's website....
The study’s author, Baruch Vainshelboim, is listed in the study as being affiliated with the cardiology division at the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System/Stanford University.

However, a representative for the VA Palo Alto Health Care System told the AP in an email that Vainshelboim does not work there.

“I can confirm this person is not one of our physicians,” wrote Michael Hill-Jackson, a public affairs specialist with the system. “I do not see him in our system and our Cardiology team has never heard of him.”

Vainshelboim also does not work for Stanford, according to Julie Greicius, senior director of external communications for the university’s medical school.

“Stanford University has never employed Baruch Vainshelboim,” Greicius wrote in an email to the AP. “Several years ago (2015), he was a visiting scholar at Stanford for a year, on matters unrelated to this paper.”

Vainshelboim, who lists himself on LinkedIn as a clinical exercise physiologist and does not list any current employment, did not respond to a request for comment.
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