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Yes 719 per day, which is not an all-time low as you falsely claimed a few posts ago.
I'm not worried, so your question makes no sense.
What is your magic number that will be an acceptable level of deaths that you will not longer want to have ridiculous restrictions, mask mandates, etc.
You cited a number and expressed concern over it, so obviously you should have a number in your mind that would be acceptable to you?
Use your brain man, there are currently about 65,000 new covid cases per day in USA. You're wondering why stores weren't closed for TB in 2019 when USA had less than 9,000 cases the entire year?
You're acting as though they're the same thing.
They aren't. Not even in the same universe, as far as risk goes.
Cases lead to deaths and hospitalizations, so yes they are important. Seven day average for deaths is about 719, which is not an all-time low since it dipped under 600 in the summer of 2020.
Something that kills 1 in 200 is a very serious illness.
No, It isnt. Its not even 1%. That amount is not statistically significant, and yes I do have a math degree in Stat.
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Which governments closed businesses and implemented mask/distancing mandates during the TB pandemic of 2019?
I don't know. TB is mostly prevalent in developing countries, I wouldn't expect USA to make policy decisions based on how said developing countries deal with their TB problems.
I wouldn't expect you living in USA to "see" any closures for TB since there are less than 9,000 infections per year, which is what makes it so funny you wondering aloud why you hadn't seen any TB related business closures.
Do you really need someone to spell this out to you?
If I have heart disease and you sit next to me in a movie theater or at a restaurant, you're not going to catch heart disease.
We cannot say the same for COVID-19.
BUT EVEN STILL...........EVEN THOUGH COVID IS CONTAGIOUS, IT STILL doesn't kill as many people as heart disease!
I thought you were worried about deaths?
If you're worried about getting the virus from someone, all you have to do is stay home forever! Heart disease involved eating right, having good genetics, exercising, etc.
You downplay other causes of death that are greater, simply because of an irrelevant characteristic of it. No one sits around every day and freaks out about "heart disease" even though IT KILLS MORE PEOPLE EVERY YEAR THAN CORONA EVER WILL!
You cited a number and expressed concern over it, so obviously you should have a number in your mind that would be acceptable to you?
I didn't express concern. In addition to getting caught lying about USA having all-time low death rate, you're now fighting straw-men by assigning me emotions. Recognizing the severity of a disease or the logic of health measures is the not the same as someone being concerned.
They aren't. Not even in the same universe, as far as risk goes.
I understand they aren't the same thing, which is what was so funny about Deforrest trying to compare them for business closures, especially when he lives in USA where there is hardly any TB.
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No, It isnt.
Sure it is. 1 in 200 is a very serious mortality rate.
I didn't express concern. In addition to getting caught lying about USA having all-time low death rate, you're now fighting straw-men by assigning me emotions. Recognizing the severity of a disease or the logic of health measures is the not the same as someone being concerned.
Yes you did. You said "it's not the lowest we've ever had."
Why can't you tell me an acceptable level of corona deaths that will stop you from being worried?
You're the one that brought up numbers, but now you don't want to describe the optimal situation???
What's your end game? Surely you've thought about this? When will you stop worrying and go back to a 2019 life?
There will always be people who die of coronavirus. Do you plan on living a life of masks and distancing forever?
You really haven't thought of any of this? Do you just do whatever your TV tells you forever?
I understand they aren't the same thing, which is what was so funny about Deforrest trying to compare them for business closures, especially when he lives in USA where there is hardly any TB.
Sure it is. 1 in 200 is a very serious mortality rate.
The mortality rate isn't anywhere CLOSE to 1 in 200.
BUT EVEN STILL...........EVEN THOUGH COVID IS CONTAGIOUS, IT STILL doesn't kill as many people as heart disease!
I thought you were worried about deaths?
If you're worried about getting the virus from someone, all you have to do is stay home forever! Heart disease involved eating right, having good genetics, exercising, etc.
You downplay other causes of death that are greater, simply because of an irrelevant characteristic of it. No one sits around every day and freaks out about "heart disease" even though IT KILLS MORE PEOPLE EVERY YEAR THAN CORONA EVER WILL!
People's perspectives on this thing are completely irrational. You aren't going to get anywhere with a strategy based solely on presenting a logical rebuttal to their assertions.
Same thing as trying to point out to anti-gun folks that the vast majority of gun violence happens only in certain areas and is committed by a certain demographic of citizen. That reality, which is integral to the discussion, is flatly ignored as though it doesn't exist.
People have been taught to simply ignore information which isn't compatible with their beliefs. Note I used the word "beliefs." Much of what's happening right now is based on a belief system, not observable reality. You have as much of a chance of using facts to bring people around as an atheist has of convincing a believer that God doesn't exist. It isn't going to happen.
You need to get people thinking on their own. Everyone's so used to and comfortable with being told what they think, they've forgotten how to do it for themselves. This is on both sides, but mostly on one.
Plant seeds of thought. Introduce subtle inconsistencies in their logic. Don't tell them things, get them to figure it out on their own. Don't directly attack their ideas or you're back to square one. This weird belief system they've adopted has rejection of information built into the ideology, so getting them to figure it out on their own is the ONLY way to bring them back to reality.
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