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Old 04-23-2021, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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couple examples would be appreciated.

By the way, If we think we can ever end racism through some sort of government program or something else forced on others, we are deluding ourselves into something that’s not only pie in the sky utopian, but incredibly naive.

The War on Drugs is the most egregious example. Sometimes in banking and lending black people are a lot less likely to get business loans. So vehicles for economic progress are things black people are usually shut out fro. This is getting better. But it's mostly due to technology and not due to government.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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yes, we do, just like we still see cockroaches, we will forever see "racism". Just like one of my friend has said, "even if we are all white, we will still judge others based on their hair or eye color."
In my opinion racism within itself isn't a bad thing. I mean I think being racist is disgusting as a personality trait. And I think people who are racist are seriously disturbed individuals are are toxic. But I don't think the problem is racism per se.

The issue how much power do you have to impact the lives of people you hold your racism against. So the real question is, do racist have power?


I use to deny "racism" for years. But it wasn't until I started to really work in the government is when things started to click for me. When I use to work in DC, I started to notice how agencies run. Governments and agencies move SLOWWW. They're not like corporations. So personnel and influence is still installed in government. Racist polices that did exist many years ago are still grandfathered into policies today. Even if they have no real reason to exist. They still just kind of exist anyway.

It's kind of how law enforcement really hasn't seen an evolution of any kind. Do we really need men to drive around squad cars patrolling for crime? When we have facial id software, drones, biometric triggers, and better machine learning techniques? We could really automate law enforcement. But we won't. And that leads us to the work for the day...


Vested Interest


Vested Interest is government in 2 words.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't want white people to do anything. It's not a white people thing. It's a government thing. I would prefer white people use their power to abolish the government and move to a totally free market. But since white people use their majority power to use the government to protect themselves. It's not going to happen.

I personally think black people should just lose the right to vote. And this will fix all of black people's problems. The problem with black people is that we try to participate in the process of government. And government is the biggest enemy of the black man and woman. It has made black people complacent, and lazy. So I think black people need to not participate in the political process.
I will just address the above, rest of your post is not worthy of my time.

Now you are talking at least, at least you are now admitting it is a government thing. I do agree: free market is a solution, but sadly, we do not have and we probably will never have a true free market.

So, The world’s people have been voting for more than 100 years and capitalism is the clear winner. Immigration patterns show the overwhelming preference for capitalism as people migrate from places where there is little capitalism to places where there is more capitalism.

all these blah blah being said,

Imagine a society that is composed of two identical groups of people, Group A and Group B. Then imagine that there is a firm within this society that wishes to only hire workers from Group A. This means that this firm’s supply of potential workers is reduced and that the firm will run out of workers willing to work for a certain wage (say, $10 an hour) faster than if this firm wasn’t discriminating. The firm now has to face a choice: do they raise wages in order to attract more workers from Group A, or do they hire workers from Group B at $10 an hour? If the firm chooses the first option, they will be paying a higher cost to manufacture their product than their competitors who don’t discriminate. Thus, the discriminating firm must sell their product at a higher price than their competitors and will soon be driven out of business.

So I agree with you regarding free market. By the way, there are many many economists oppose minimum wage laws, which they believe encourage discrimination. But this is another topic.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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During the Civil War, approximately 6% of the entire white male population gave their lives and died for freedom and ending slavery. The debt has been paid, and black people owe white people gratitude for that.
Phhhhht...that didn't even anything out, plus interest has been compounding since that happened. Current estimates place the needed reparation at about $8 Trillion.

Precedence (apparently a big deal in US courts) has already been set based on payments provided to Japanese Americans for their internment during WWII.

Then, we can get down to reparations to Native Americans for their many grievances.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I will just address the above, rest of your post is not worthy of my time. By the way, there are many many economists oppose minimum wage laws, which they believe encourage discrimination. But this is another topic.

Now you are talking at least, at least you are now admitting it is a government thing. I do agree: free market is a solution, but sadly, we do not have and we probably will never have a true free market.

So, The world’s people have been voting for more than 100 years and capitalism is the clear winner. Immigration patterns show the overwhelming preference for capitalism as people migrate from places where there is little capitalism to places where there is more capitalism.

all these blah blah being said,

Imagine a society that is composed of two identical groups of people, Group A and Group B. Then imagine that there is a firm within this society that wishes to only hire workers from Group A. This means that this firm’s supply of potential workers is reduced and that the firm will run out of workers willing to work for a certain wage (say, $10 an hour) faster than if this firm wasn’t discriminating. The firm now has to face a choice: do they raise wages in order to attract more workers from Group A, or do they hire workers from Group B at $10 an hour? If the firm chooses the first option, they will be paying a higher cost to manufacture their product than their competitors who don’t discriminate. Thus, the discriminating firm must sell their product at a higher price than their competitors and will soon be driven out of business.

So I agree with you regarding free market.

This is false. Capitalism is losing and losing bad. From both sides of the aisle. Trump was firmly anti-free market. And his supporters, who call themselves conservative became vocal critics of capitalism. The Republican party has been moving further away from free markets for I don't know how long. Nixon and Regan, the so-called True conservatives were big spenders. And Regan was a massive spender. Bush Sr. was a big spender and raised taxes. Bush Jr. loved printing money. And Trump was not even a conservative. I'm really confused why conservatives even identify with him honestly.

We're not even close to a free market economy. When things like tariffs are considered in any economic discussion, and conservatives cheerlead this. Then we are in awful shape.

We are moving so toward socialism on both sides. The only differences are degrees of socialism.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Phhhhht...that didn't even anything out, plus interest has been compounding since that happened. Current estimates place the needed reparation at about $8 Trillion.

Precedence (apparently a big deal in US courts) has already been set based on payments provided to Japanese Americans for their internment during WWII.

Then, we can get down to reparations to Native Americans for their many grievances.


No one is going to get anything. I'm a black man, and for me reparations would consist of the following:


Black people can opt out of all government services. The benefit is not paying anymore taxes

Ending the war on drugs

black people opting out of the right to vote, and opting out of civil rights



To me these things will actually have long term benefits for the black community. Civil right sea the right to vote has actually had a negative impact on black people. And I feel that the only solution is for blacks to lose these.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The War on Drugs is the most egregious example. Sometimes in banking and lending black people are a lot less likely to get business loans. So vehicles for economic progress are things black people are usually shut out fro. This is getting better. But it's mostly due to technology and not due to government.
well, I think war on drugs is a total failure, you might be right, From what I read, it looks like

it was actually a cynical political ploy by Nixon to target Hippies and Blacks for his political gain. He saw them as a threat and devised it as a way to neutralise them by labelling them as criminals. (don't know if this is true or not)

I would like to believe the war on drugs is more complicated than "racism". one question: Why is the entire world anti-drugs if the US only started the war on drugs because of racism? Did they copy us?
Maybe a few things are getting folded together. The informal war on drugs started with cannabis and Reefer Madness - Wikipedia in the 1930s.

The story behind the war is complicated. In the 1960s, the mafia started bringing in large amounts of heroin, and that’s one of several things that led to the Controlled Substances Act. We’ve had real, serious problems with heroin ever since. Nixon officially declared the War on Drugs in 1971, and the DEA was created in the early 1970s to escalate the “war.”

well, racism might be the easy answer of course.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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This is false. Capitalism is losing and losing bad. From both sides of the aisle. Trump was firmly anti-free market. And his supporters, who call themselves conservative became vocal critics of capitalism. The Republican party has been moving further away from free markets for I don't know how long. Nixon and Regan, the so-called True conservatives were big spenders. And Regan was a massive spender. Bush Sr. was a big spender and raised taxes. Bush Jr. loved printing money. And Trump was not even a conservative. I'm really confused why conservatives even identify with him honestly.

We're not even close to a free market economy. When things like tariffs are considered in any economic discussion, and conservatives cheerlead this. Then we are in awful shape.

We are moving so toward socialism on both sides. The only differences are degrees of socialism.


I said,

So, The world’s people have been voting for more than 100 years and capitalism is the clear winner. Immigration patterns show the overwhelming preference for capitalism as people migrate from places where there is little capitalism to places where there is more capitalism.

Voting here =/= ticket or single election choice. It means immigration patterns. Just to clarify
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:40 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Where did you get the idea this is an anti-black thread?
I mean,..it's a 50/50 chance. one has to be it when talking about race.

whichever ethnicity is being told to take 'responsibility' for the bad things is gonna be what a thread is 'anti' too.

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Old 04-23-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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In my opinion racism within itself isn't a bad thing. I mean I think being racist is disgusting as a personality trait. And I think people who are racist are seriously disturbed individuals are are toxic. But I don't think the problem is racism per se.

The issue how much power do you have to impact the lives of people you hold your racism against. So the real question is, do racist have power?


I use to deny "racism" for years. But it wasn't until I started to really work in the government is when things started to click for me. When I use to work in DC, I started to notice how agencies run. Governments and agencies move SLOWWW. They're not like corporations. So personnel and influence is still installed in government. Racist polices that did exist many years ago are still grandfathered into policies today. Even if they have no real reason to exist. They still just kind of exist anyway.

It's kind of how law enforcement really hasn't seen an evolution of any kind. Do we really need men to drive around squad cars patrolling for crime? When we have facial id software, drones, biometric triggers, and better machine learning techniques? We could really automate law enforcement. But we won't. And that leads us to the work for the day...


Vested Interest


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