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Old 04-22-2021, 11:03 AM
 
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If so, have you actually looked at the numbers?

Our total count of cases is currently 32,610,386
Our current population is 330,222,217

So the number of documented tested positive cases we've had is 9.9% of population.

It's also been reported that according to the Red Cross 1 in 5 blood donations have covid antibodies.

So blood donations are showing a rate twice the number of cases at 20%. And these are people that are venturing out and doing things like making blood donations.

This also jives with models predicting that 21% have been infected.

If documented cases are merely 9.9%, how could they be overreported?

What we do have indications of is that it is significantly underreported.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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It's the opposite. The statistical antibody data gathered clearly indicates an underreporting wrt confirmed cases, by as much as a factor of 8.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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Cases are irrelevant.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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If so, have you actually looked at the numbers?

Our total count of cases is currently 32,610,386
Our current population is 330,222,217

So the number of documented tested positive cases we've had is 9.9% of population.

It's also been reported that according to the Red Cross 1 in 5 blood donations have covid antibodies.

So blood donations are showing a rate twice the number of cases at 20%. And these are people that are venturing out and doing things like making blood donations.

This also jives with models predicting that 21% have been infected.

If documented cases are merely 9.9%, how could they be overreported?

What we do have indications of is that it is significantly underreported.
it depends on the "case porn" aspect.

If, as we should have been and claimed we would be, concerned with hospitalizations and deaths, then we would have only monitored those.

If you're aware of the testing, basically it detects "have you had enough of the Covid virus in your system sometime in the last 90 days to be detected?"

It's not "are you sick?" (which would be obvious from the symptoms).

It's not even "are you infectious?" (what your viral load is)

It's entirely likely - whether you choose 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 or 1 in 3 - that we ALL were exposed to Covid in the last 12 months, and might have tested positive at some point.

I got my first Covid test ONLY because I was required to in order to travel, it was negative OF COURSE. That was March 23rd 2021, a full year later. I was around MANY people that developed Covid a few days later or had had Covid 2 weeks. before.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:21 AM
 
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I'm referring to those that say the cumulative number of cases is exaggerated, even though it is at merely 9.9% of population over one year in.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:25 AM
 
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I'm referring to those that say the cumulative number of cases is exaggerated
Right, I'm saying their argument is absurd when there have clearly been MORE cases of covid than the confirmed numbers. Most people who got covid were not even sick enough to warrant seeing a doctor.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:27 AM
 
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Right, I'm saying their argument is absurd when there have clearly been MORE cases of covid than the confirmed numbers. Most people who got covid were not even sick enough to warrant seeing a doctor.
Yeah, the real rate is likely at least double.

But a common refrain when comparing our stats to other countries is that our number of cases is exaggerated/made up/etc for political purposes. This is clearly not the case.
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Old 04-22-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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If so, have you actually looked at the numbers?

Our total count of cases is currently 32,610,386
Our current population is 330,222,217

So the number of documented tested positive cases we've had is 9.9% of population.

It's also been reported that according to the Red Cross 1 in 5 blood donations have covid antibodies.

So blood donations are showing a rate twice the number of cases at 20%. And these are people that are venturing out and doing things like making blood donations.

This also jives with models predicting that 21% have been infected.

If documented cases are merely 9.9%, how could they be overreported?

What we do have indications of is that it is significantly underreported.
So many asymptomatic and even symptomatic patients are never tested. IMO far outweighs the number of false positive tests.

But as others have said, cases are not so important. Maybe good as a future short term predictor of hospital needs and deaths. But there are too many variables with testing to be very reliable. Hospitalization and then death numbers are more important.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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So many asymptomatic and even symptomatic patients are never tested. IMO far outweighs the number of false positive tests.

But as others have said, cases are not so important. Maybe good as a future short term predictor of hospital needs and deaths. But there are too many variables with testing to be very reliable. Hospitalization and then death numbers are more important.
My understanding is that case counts are as important as hospitalizations and deaths as it's part of the calculation to measure or at least estimate treatment capacity.

If the infection rate were say 99% and it didn't overwhelm hospitals and morgues says as much as a 1% infection rate causing a complete and utter catastrophe in the health care industry.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:26 PM
 
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If so, have you actually looked at the numbers?

It's also been reported that according to the Red Cross 1 in 5 blood donations have covid antibodies.

What we do have indications of is that it is significantly underreported.
I'm not an expert in making vaccines but it stands to reason that one could isolate the covid antibodies from the donations and use them as a base for a more traditional vaccine (Instead of mRNA experimental gene therapy).
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