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Old 04-22-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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Some places are trying to pass law requiring cops to intervene and stop other cops who go too far. Conservatives everywhere are fighting tooth and nail against them. For example, Washington just passed such a law, but the vote was along party line.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-force/?amp=1

Not here to debate. I don't understand. May be I am too stupid as a liberal. Please educate me why we should not require "good" cops to stop "bad" cops from brutalizing arrestees.

Again, not here to debate. Please explain.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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It seems like a good solution to the 'blue wall of silence'.

If your fellow officer is committing a crime, you should be *required* to intervene or be prosecuted as an accessory.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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It seems like a good solution to the 'blue wall of silence'.

If your fellow officer is committing a crime, you should be *required* to intervene or be prosecuted as an accessory.
Absolutely.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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I think there is such a duty and expectation. That's exactly what the other two officers standing around in the Floyd case are going to be prosecuted for. I'm not sure what a new law would *change*. The remedy for failure would still be the same.
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And what would the consequences for them have been?

In hindsight, they should have pulled Chauvin off. But these were inexperienced rookies. Two just out of the Academy.

Let's say they had pulled Chauvin off and Floyd had lived - they probably would have lost their jobs and if not lost their jobs been subject to no end of harassment from other cops going forward because, since Floyd would have survived, there would have been proof they had prevented his death.

Talk about no win. The other cops on the scene - if they didn't have bad luck, they wouldn't have any.
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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As a moderate I support this law. Why you wouldn't support it? Beats me.
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I think there is such a duty and expectation. That's exactly what the other two officers standing around in the Floyd case are going to be prosecuted for. I'm not sure what a new law would *change*. The remedy for failure would still be the same.
It might help to do away with some of the unhelpful culture that still lingers in some governments and police unions, that the officer is to be defended 100% of the time in any controversy. Not sure though, it's a complex issue.
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:04 PM
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I thought they already WERE required to intervene?

That's why in Chauvin's case, he was the only one who killed Floyd, but the other cops who stood around and did nothing have been charged.

This is already a "thing".
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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If it is a not a law already it should be...those *******s that just let Chauvin do what he did should be in prison
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Old 04-22-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Some places are trying to pass law requiring cops to intervene and stop other cops who go too far. Conservatives everywhere are fighting tooth and nail against them. For example, Washington just passed such a law, but the vote was along party line.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-force/?amp=1

Not here to debate. I don't understand. May be I am too stupid as a liberal. Please educate me why we should not require "good" cops to stop "bad" cops from brutalizing arrestees.

Again, not here to debate. Please explain.
from your link ...

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But SB 5066 picked up three Republican votes Tuesday — including a yes by GOP Senate Minority Leader John Braun of Centralia — in its final vote on the Senate floor. It has also drawn support from some law enforcement groups.

In March, the Washington State Patrol Troopers Association and the Washington Fraternal Order of Police testified at a public hearing in support of the bill.
I think we'd all "want" fellow cops to intervene when a bad cop is using excessive force, specifically that force which is not policy.

Perhaps the difference comes in what is done to penalize those intervening officers if a 3rd party (say the media) decides they didn't intervene quickly or well enough.
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