Why is Biden still allowing flights from India with almost 400,000 new COVID cases daily, vaccine resistant mutants? (salaries, middle east)

[Corascant]

So now our local news is warning us about an "advisory" for travel to India, saying the country has now hit a new record for daily infections approaching almost 400,000 people a day, so many sick they're running out of oxygen, the virus is mutating like crazy and now India already has a double mutant and triple mutant that are resistant to the vaccines
Oh and even Britain, UAE and Canada are banning travel to and from India for a month even though they have millions of Indian immigrants there. And the USA? We have a mealy mouth "travel advisory" meekly begging Americans not to go to India, all the while every day thousands upon thousands of people from India pour into the USA or fly back and forth, bringing in the new double and triple mutants that are apparently making the vaccinations so far worthless and putting us right back where we were in like April 2020.

It's terrible what's happening in India and we sympathize with the people there, but just from basic public health common sense, where in the world are Joe Biden and the Democrats on this? Why haven't they put in a travel ban for India with this massive rise in infections and so many dangerous mutants, not only the ones already Id'd but apparently the new mutants constantly coming up? Oh that's right, it'd be "racist" to stop travel from India even though there's clear as day public health reason to halt travel now. Or maybe it's Big Tech companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon and Twitter that wants more cheap labor from India to keep displacing American tech workers through through H1B visas and drive salaries lower (or the housing market that loves mass immigration to drive up housing prices)? It's just straight insanity to be allowing flights in from India right now with what's going on. As bad as COVID crisis is in countries like France, Germany and Sweden they've taken the important first step by banning refugees and migrants and refusing flights from heavy infected countries like India or anywhere in Africa or the Middle East, for clear reasons of public health and lack of testing or good public health infrastructure in those places. Again even Canada and New Zealand are halting travel from India now despite all the Indians working there. Yet here in the US, thousands still fly in everyday and with the rate of mutation and all the people infected, India's now like a permanent reservoir for mutants resistant to the vaccines or other measures.

Do our "leaders" seriously not see the cynicism this is causing? They wonder why Americans are so impatient and resistant with all the mask mandates, lockdowns, demands that we take an experimental vaccine with new tech less than a year of testing, people in the US practically taking up arms at the very suggestion of vaccine passports or injecting this experimental barely tested concoction in our healthy kids and grandkids-- and then they turn around and run a policy so obviously negligent? It's stupid policies like leaving airports wide open to the most heavily infected country in the world, this that make Americans skeptical of all the hot air from officials in the United States. If Biden, the Democrats and Big Tech supporting neocon RINO's really cared about protecting the American people from COVID19, and believed all their loud claims about "herd immunity" and "keeping US hospitals from collapsing', they'd shut down travel from India right now.

But they don't, and they're allowing deadly new mutants to flood into the country and wreck any progress already made. That's why it's becoming more and more obvious to Americans that all these extreme COVID measures by US officials and big corporations were never about public health or protecting the public at all-- it's all about social control, breaking the power of American individuals and small business to impose power by large corporations, billionaires and government officials who "know better". That's why they love the idea of forcing even healthy young people to take an experimental vaccine with unknown long term effects for a disease that 99.99% of healthy people survive without problems (at least until now, who knows with these new mutants from India), because it can set precedent for then forcing Americans to take dozens of other potentially deadly, un-tested substances for the profits of crony capitalists who are good buddies with government officials. We questioned this before and at one point though it conspiracy talk, but with such blatantly dumb things like continuing to allow unrestricted flights from India, it's obvious the "conspiracists" were right. There's no other way to explain such obvious contradiction. Just in case it wasn't clear, we're independents and we've criticized officials of both parties before, but right now, it's liberals and Democrats in America who are going nuts with all their woke-ism, cancel culture and pushing Orwellian COVID "public health" policies on Americans while leaving the door wide open to flights from the world's most heavily infected place.

[notnamed]

Yes, absolutely travel to/from India should be restricted right now. As should travel to/from the USA. Aside from some exceptions that require a quarantine period before and after travel. Start treating the pandemic like an actual pandemic.

But it should be noted, travel to India already is restricted.
Where Can Americans Travel Right Now?

[uggabugga]

Researchers are investigating if a COVID-19 with multiple mutations found in India is more deadly and resistant to existing vaccines

[roodd279]

They also have to have a negative test before getting on the plane.


This is not foolproof, obviously - but it's not nothing.

[Winterbeard]

Excellent question.

It's as if some nations learned nothing from NZ, who have now gone back to normal.

[lieqiang]

Originally Posted by Corascant

now India already has a double mutant and triple mutant that are resistant to the vaccines ... bringing in the new double and triple mutants that are apparently making the vaccinations so far worthless and putting us right back where we were in like April 2020

Where does your link say this mutant is resistant to the vaccines? I did see where it said:

Researchers in India are investigating whether the new threat may affect vaccine efficacy

"In other words, you may not be safe from this variant even if you were previously infected by another strain, or even if you have been vaccinated," Chinnaswamy said.

Obviously both of those statements are indicating speculation, not fact. Your article also said:

Paul Tambyah, a professor of medicine at the National University of Singapore, said the good news is that there is no concrete evidence that the triple mutation is deadlier or more transmissible. "Singapore researchers have done some work trying to link the mutations with clinical outcomes and transmissibility and have found no link between more severity or more transmissibility with newer mutants compared with the original lineages of SARS-CoV2," Tambyah said.

Other scientists studying COVID have detected quadruple- and quintuple-mutants in samples as well, he said, without it necessarily affecting how well vaccines work. "There is good data suggesting that the immune system, not just antibodies, can respond to multiple different mutants," Tambyah said.

So where did you learn that this whatever-mutant from India is in fact resistant to vaccines and makes current vaccines in USA worthless? You appear to know more than the scientists in your own article, either that or you were playing really loose with facts here.

[Corascant]

Originally Posted by lieqiang

Where does your link say this mutant is resistant to the vaccines? I did see where it said:



Obviously both of those statements are indicating speculation, not fact. Your article also said:


So where did you learn that this whatever-mutant from India is in fact resistant to vaccines and makes current vaccines in USA worthless? You appear to know more than the scientists in your own article, either that or you were playing really loose with facts here.

You seriously need to take off your rose colored glasses about this topic, it's already known for ex. that the South Africa mutant is highly resistant to the COVID vaccine as even researchers from Israel themselves have been pointing out, "S. African variant can 'break through' Pfizer protection." Why do you think the Pfizer and Moderna CEO's themselves are saying Americans would need boosters and that the two-shot protection is insufficient? Scientists are pointing out that the South African mutants with ability to break through vaccine protection are much less mutated than the ones from India which have far more variations that the antibodies from vaccination don't recognize. Thus the reasoning goes, if the far less mutated South African mutants are resistant, then the far more mutated and varied ones from India are even more dangerous, try reading any of the dozens of articles now warning about this and you'll answer your own questions.

Not to mention you're also conveniently ignoring the main issue here, especially since you've been so prominent about pushing the vaccines and other public health measures on Americans (even healthy ones at low risk) about the threats by COVID, do you or do you not agree that flights from India should be suspended with the appearance of these dangerous new mutants and widespread infection there, to reduce a growing COVID risk? Simple yes or no.

[notnamed]

Doesn't mean it's mutated in the same way to be resistant to the vaccine. It's an unknown at this point. So an assertion either way is wrong.

[lily76]

It is all about politics.

Seeing the pictures of Indian now brings me tears. People are burning bodies in open air and there is said a shortage of logs for that purpose.

[lieqiang]

Originally Posted by Corascant

You seriously need to take off your rose colored glasses about this topic, it's already known for ex. that the South Africa mutant is highly resistant to the COVID vaccine as even researchers from Israel themselves have been pointing out, "S. African variant can 'break through' Pfizer protection." Why do you think the Pfizer and Moderna CEO's themselves are saying Americans would need boosters and that the two-shot protection is insufficient? Scientists are pointing out that the South African mutants with ability to break through vaccine protection are much less mutated than the ones from India which have far more variations that the antibodies from vaccination don't recognize, try reading any of the dozens of articles now warning about this and you'll answer your own questions.

It isn't rose colored glasses to prefer you stick to the facts instead of manufacturing information as you see fit. Nowhere in your article did it say the India mutant covid virus renders current vaccines useless, yet that is what you announced in your post. Regarding Pfizer, https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti...9vaccine/91895

"Topline results from a phase III clinical trial of 800 people in South Africa, where the variant is predominant, showed nine cases in the placebo group versus none among vaccine recipients, for a vaccine efficacy of 100%, albeit with a wide 95% confidence interval (lower bound 53.1%)."


Even if Pfizer is less effective versus South African variant, that does not allow you to conclude that this Indian variant must render current vaccines useless. You basically just made something up and stated it as fact, clearly the scientists in your article have no idea whether vaccines are less effective against the India mutant variant, and neither do you.

Originally Posted by Corascant

Not to mention you're also conveniently ignoring the main issue here, especially since you've been so prominent about pushing the vaccines and other public health measures on Americans (even healthy ones at low risk) about the threats by COVID, do you or do you not agree that flights from India should be suspended with the appearance of these dangerous new mutants and widespread infection there? Simple yes or no.

So you can say whatever pops into your imagination as fact but it doesn't matter since the main point is flights from India? I don't think so. Folks providing misinformation in these forums need to have the spotlight shone on them.