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Old 04-23-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Ridgefield, WA
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We have people who want to charge cops for using deadly force in preventing a murder, and you do not think this mob wants drivers in such a riot event convicted as well?
I don't doubt some BLM extremists might, whether the courts actually agree or not is a different matter.

I'm struggling to come up with examples of drivers who were wrongfully charged under these circumstances? Charlottesville certainly isn't one.

 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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He's serving life because he intentionally drove into a stopped car and block of people, hitting 20 of them. Yikes...
The law clearly does not justify ramming into crowds of protesters like that Nazi kid did. It's not carte blanche for murdering people with a truck mounted with a cow catcher on it.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:45 PM
 
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Boy Martin Luther King would have been in big trouble along with all those Vietnam protestors.

I wonder why the sudden movement to run over protestors.

I'm guessing these laws will be challenged in court, just a guess.

I guess the Charlottesville red neck could have gotten off with running his car into protestors and killing that girl.
You cannot tell the difference between someone intentionally bypassing roadblocks and running people over (like the Charlottesville guy), and someone who gets surrounded while driving and getting drug out of the car and beaten (like Reginald Denny)?

Seriously?
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You cannot tell the difference between someone intentionally bypassing roadblocks and running people over (like the Charlottesville guy), and someone who gets surrounded while driving and getting drug out of the car and beaten (like Reginald Denny)?

Seriously?
That is in the strict minority, does the law state that if the car is surrounded they can drive over anyone they please.

I recall one incident where the driver wasn't threatened running over people.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:55 PM
 
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Good luck on overcoming the appeal that's bound to come.

Vehicular manslaughter is very old, settled, law in all 50 states and all territories.

For very good reasons.

The Oklahoma legislature can pass any law they like, and the Governor can sign any bill into law.

But as soon as someone dies after being run over, that law will be appealed, if not before, and the appeal will be upheld. The law will be overthrown.
And any driver stupid and bloody-minded enough to give it a try will spend the next 20 years incarcerated in prison.

Take it to the bank. No law like this ever withstands a challenge, as it's an open invitation to murder by vehicle.

Like the pack of dogs said: It's all fun and games until someone ends up in the pound. As soon as one state legislator loses a kid, or gets killed, the law will be revoked. If not before it ever happens.

A good thing, too. Oklahoma cannot affair the legal fees and the jeopardy it puts every city and county in the state in. Liability taxes will go sky high there if this law survives for very long.
Self Defense laws have been on the books even longer... even before automobiles. Citizens doing law abiding things have the right to protect themselves against people RIOTING. Oklahoma and Florida (just to name two states) have specifically codified the part about escaping from a RIOTING crowd while in a vehicle. In short, if some rioters are threatening the life and/or well being of a law abiding citizen in an automobile, then the citizen has the right to use the vehicle to escape. If rioters get in the way, too bad for them. It's kind of like if you try to rob a liquor store and the store owner shoots your ass, too bad. You're dead and the store owner walks... at least in many states.

People like you were predicting that Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law would lead to untold carnage from every gun totin' dude in the state, and that the law would be overturned. Now, 16 years later, it's still on the books and still doing a good job of protecting law abiding citizens from thugs who attempt to harm them. Funny how that works. When some troublemaker realizes that he can be shot dead in his tracks if he threatens bodily harm to some innocent person, it tends to make the troublemaker reconsider the wisdom of his actions... and usually decide that it isn't worth risking his life. Makes for a much more peaceful society.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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get a permit.
Some do some don't, it didn't give anyone the right to kill people until now.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I don't doubt some BLM extremists might, whether the courts actually agree or not is a different matter.

I'm struggling to come up with examples of drivers who were wrongfully charged under these circumstances? Charlottesville certainly isn't one.
People are trapped in their cars because they are afraid they might hurt someone blocking their car, and then the mob shows up and start jumping on the hood and breaking the windows.


But whatever. I am all too familiar with how these discussions go, the left will justify violence, and denounce any common sense protections for the victims of the rioting mob of BLM and antifa thugs.

Rioters Attack Vehicles After Blocking Highway Traffic

Uber driver shares story of vandalism, being attacked during riot

Rioters Attack Drivers in Hollywood

‘We can’t do anything’ 911 says to caller trapped in Virginia protests with baby in car
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That is in the strict minority, does the law state that if the car is surrounded they can drive over anyone they please.

I recall one incident where the driver wasn't threatened running over people.
Of course not, no one would make a law like that.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Self Defense laws have been on the books even longer... even before automobiles. Citizens doing law abiding things have the right to protect themselves against people RIOTING. Oklahoma and Florida (just to name two states) have specifically codified the part about escaping from a RIOTING crowd while in a vehicle. In short, if some rioters are threatening the life and/or well being of a law abiding citizen in an automobile, then the citizen has the right to use the vehicle to escape. If rioters get in the way, too bad for them. It's kind of like if you try to rob a liquor store and the store owner shoots your ass, too bad. You're dead and the store owner walks... at least in many states.

People like you were predicting that Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law would lead to untold carnage from every gun totin' dude in the state, and that the law would be overturned. Now, 16 years later, it's still on the books and still doing a good job of protecting law abiding citizens from thugs who attempt to harm them. Funny how that works. When some troublemaker realizes that he can be shot dead in his tracks if he threatens bodily harm to some innocent person, it tends to make the troublemaker reconsider the wisdom of his actions... and usually decide that it isn't worth risking his life. Makes for a much more peaceful society.
This isn't about citizens protecting themselves, it's about silencing protestors.
 
Old 04-23-2021, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Of course not, no one would make a law like that.
So tell me where the protest ends and the threat begins.
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