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Old 04-25-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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And that is a fact. To me, from Bush 1 to Obama, all where blowing smoke up American butts, neocons/neoliberal scumbags. Now they've got their scumbag back into office. Why folks can not see this is beyond me. The desperation of these people is beyond me, so much so that they are willing to destroy this country in order to achieve power.
It doesn't matter who gets into the Oval Office because the policies are the same. The Presidents are groomed for the job...."selected" not elected.

Trump upset the apple cart because he wasn't part of them so they had to get him out.

 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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They are illegal aliens not plain ole "immigrants". I hate it when those lines are blurred.
Blurred or seeing no difference? Those who see no difference are a problem, especially if they vote.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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W Bush was always a weasel and the whole family. I never bought into their image or what they tried to push to the public about them. Reagan should have picked Dole in 1980 not HW Bush. The Republican party would have taken another path after Reagan left.


For Bush to say he didn't (the whole family) vote for Trump twice after the Republican base voted for them 4 times after they were the nominee because having the Democrats in the WH was the worst option shows their character that if a Bush isn't on the ticket pushing the globalist Bush doctrine they are staying home. It's like taking the ball home as a kid when you are not the starter.



Romney is the same in Utah. He has like 65% negatives in the state. He rather have Hillary and Corn Pops running the country than Trump. They show their true colors.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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i Can’t believe I voted twice for that swamp creature!

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...y-cheap-labor/
Your thread titles and link refer to a “ secret push”. One does not tell Hugh Hewitt, a popular conservative radio show host if it’s a secret push.

Sensationalism sells.

It has never been a secret that many Republicans have long supported immigration policies that would enable the legal employment of undocumented people at less than the prevailing / legal wage. Meat/ seafood/ poultry packing has long depended on undocumented workers. It keeps retail prices down, thus more affordable, while enabling higher profits for the employer.

A handful of states require e- Verify of all employees- laws designed with intentional loop holes which is the only way such laws could have passed. Texas, home of the second largest undocumented population, does not even pretend to require eVerify.

Florida has the third largest undocumented population, quite remarkable given it does not share a land border with another country. It also has a Governor pretending to be serious about e- Verify.
Florida employers can avoid e- Verify obligation when using the I- 9 form, a federal requirement for 35 years. It also excuses employers from verifying independent contractors.

Fascinating how so many view an illegal immigrant as a criminal while excusing those who economically engage them.

No wall is high enough and no patrol deep enough so long as US businesses and people sustain an insatiable demand for cheap labor and do so without consequences.

Some years back VOX did a documentary about Georgia’s then new eVerify Law from the perspective of the farmer who had long depended on undocumented laborer. One in particular was a watermelon farmer. First year, his crops failed due to an inability to high and retain enough legal workers. According to the farm owner, legal workers, typically convicted criminals on parole, were the only people who applied. Most did not return aster the first day. The crops rotted.

Then the farmer negotiated with the county and state to use prison labor, a win - win. Farmer got cheap labor and the county and state made $ off it. It did not work out well. The prisoners were slow and tired easily under the hot sun and quickly lost interest. The crops rotted.

Asked why the farmer did not simply offer a higher wage or use the unlimited agriculture visas to attract more workers, the response was telling. He competes with growers in his own neighboring states. If he paid more he could not compete with Florida and Arkansas etc. The wholesale market was not going to pay him more for his harvest because he used legal labor. The end consumer wants cheap watermelon and does not care who planted, tended or harvested it.

Same deal in meat/ seafood/poultry packing, construction, hospitality, remodeling, maintenance etc work.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Biden is pretty centrist. Bush wasn't an extremist either. It's startling just how far right the GOP has moved in recent years.
it's startling how "enforcing existing laws" and "upholding promises" is considered extreme/far right now.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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i Can’t believe I voted twice for that swamp creature!





https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...y-cheap-labor/
Bush pushed for across-the-board amnesty for immigrants while he was president. You apparently weren't paying attention then.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...42643820070629
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Why is that so-called “Republicans” like George Bush drift to the left over time and show their true colors?

But the opposite almost never happens?
Maybe they get smarter...?
 
Old 04-25-2021, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Biden is pretty centrist. Bush wasn't an extremist either. It's startling just how far right the GOP has moved in recent years.
You just have to laugh when these people say they "can't believe they voted for" Romney, or McCain, and now W.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Bush is not very bright and made some terrible decisions as President. He has now become another Nazi Wokester to appease those who are controlling all narratives these days....he's probably hoping they'll change the "recorded history" of his Presidency.
 
Old 04-25-2021, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Being globalist and being conservative or liberal aren't mutually exclusive things.

We live in a global society. There's no getting around that, and trying to act like we don't live in a global society will put this country behind.
What do the other global, developed nations do? Which ones have a large influx of immigrants that exceed the legal #? Are there countries with no immigration laws? How well are they doing with their influx?

I've got ZERO problem with us effectively making investments in Latin America countries that allow them to develop for themselves, employ their people, and enjoy economic prosperity.

What you run up against is the globalist idea that the developed country should thus have an interest in the politics of said nation. And that all revolves around $. If we're sending Honduras $70M every year, and all it's doing is enriching those in power ... we're supposed to send $100M and hope the power players are sated and will use the extra for their people? Hell, the US is spending $10MM annually for Reading in Honduras.
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