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The sad thing is that they will want their services/programs/culture that they left in the new place thus driving up taxes.
They want to move to a new place that doesn't cost much and then bring everything they left with them and the place ends up just as expensive as the place they left.
And they don't even realize that they were the ones that drove up the costs.
Not all the time. I believe many conservative Californians are moving to the slow growing rural red states to get the most bang for their bucks after selling their California homes. The liberal ones would rather move to Texas or Colorado.
If that’s true, it means red states will become more blue. If you’re a Republican living in a red state, that’s probably not good news.
Red states have most of their people in rural areas or small towns (like the Great Plains States). Swing States are just about balanced between urban and rural. Thus a few suburbanites in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin decide every presidential election.
But not so in Oklahoma. The majority of the people live in the three metros.
It’s not always politics which dictate why a move happens, or where someone moves to. If that were the case, Demicans and Republicrats would probably have made the entire nation purple by now.
Anecdotes?
My Pa moved out of CA after retirement, not purely for political reasons - Republican Arnie was governor then - but for tax reasons, and to take the considerable retirement he had earned in Silicon Valley back home to Texas. I’m going to move to NY state soonish, not because of politics (I think they suck there), but because of what I’ll call family incentives.
My in-laws especially are rather unaware and lack any kind of political reasons if/when they move perhaps to a different state.
What I could never understand is why people who've turned their state's blue would ever want to move to a red state if their political and social policies are so great? Then they move to a red state and do nothing but complain about their adopted state's political and social policies. Then they can't understand why they are resented and loathed by the people who've lived there all of their lives? People who like things just they way they are and just want to be left the hell alone and not have some leftist agenda rammed down their throats.
But I think liberal Californians are avoiding most of the red states, like the plague. What few Californians are moving to those states are conservative.
Not really going out of state all that much. Instead, they're getting the hell out of the rural towns in red states and moving to the biggest one or two metros in the red state. So those metros are the only places growing. In the small red towns, decent paying jobs are few and far between..
I don't think that is true.
In Washington state, the residents are fleeing Seattle for the red "counties". They have had enough of being "woke" in Seattle. In the past two years, I have 300 new neighbors from western Washington with their McMansions and promises not to change eastern Washington!!!
However, western Washington is still growing in population as "refugees" pour in from California. Really, Seattle is awful, but not as bad as LA or SF. So they pour into Seattle, and then move over the mountains in a few years.
Migration is a complex thing. I actually got paid to track it for part of my career. It changes from all the time.
First it was "returnees". People that left "red" counties and then decided to move back for a higher quality of life. That was pretty much a 70's and 90's thing.
Then their were the mass migrations from elsewhere in the world. They came for the jobs in the red counties. Yeah, they were low paying jobs, but they were jobs. In my county, we went from ZERO Latino population in 1985. I was one of the few Latino's!!! To where now Latino's are 30% of the county and 55% of the school children.
Currently, it is people fleeing urban areas. They never expected to fee Seattle, but finally had enough with the lifestyle over there...so they fled. This crew really does want to turn the county BLUE.
Not all the time. I believe many conservative Californians are moving to the slow growing rural red states to get the most bang for their bucks after selling their California homes. The liberal ones would rather move to Texas or Colorado.
Not just Californians are leaving due to politics -- or at least that was true for my husband and me. We moved from newly blue Colorado (metro Denver) to almost exactly a 50/50 split community that has had less than a 1% change in population since 2010! So glad to get away from liberal-dominated government! (However, our MAIN reason for leaving was we wanted more of a four-seasons climate and a rural area.)
The vast reduction, long-term, in Blue State Congressmen, is due to their states job killing policies. I routinely get 5x minimum, as many headhunters reaching out for red vs blue state opportunities. I know of many local firms which have bit the dust, or are a miniscule % their size of ten years ago.
In Washington state, the residents are fleeing Seattle for the red "counties". They have had enough of being "woke" in Seattle. In the past two years, I have 300 new neighbors from western Washington with their McMansions and promises not to change eastern Washington!!!
However, western Washington is still growing in population as "refugees" pour in from California. Really, Seattle is awful, but not as bad as LA or SF. So they pour into Seattle, and then move over the mountains in a few years.
Migration is a complex thing. I actually got paid to track it for part of my career. It changes from all the time.
First it was "returnees". People that left "red" counties and then decided to move back for a higher quality of life. That was pretty much a 70's and 90's thing.
Then their were the mass migrations from elsewhere in the world. They came for the jobs in the red counties. Yeah, they were low paying jobs, but they were jobs. In my county, we went from ZERO Latino population in 1985. I was one of the few Latino's!!! To where now Latino's are 30% of the county and 55% of the school children.
Currently, it is people fleeing urban areas. They never expected to fee Seattle, but finally had enough with the lifestyle over there...so they fled. This crew really does want to turn the county BLUE.
I don't think they understand cause and effect.
But Washington is a blue state, not a red state. In the red state of Oklahoma, the suburbs of Oklahoma City and Tulsa are still growing fast. Housing prices have skyrocketed there. Unlike in slowly dying rural Oklahoma towns, houses for sale don't stay that way for long.
In Oklahoma, there is almost no interest in moving to the red towns. A couple of small college towns outside the metros have tended to grow, but they're purplish, not red. They both approved of expanded Medicaid as offered by ObamaCare. In one of those towns, the film company director that made an anti-abortion movie, called Unplanned, there in 2019 took pride they did it in a pro-choice town. The only red town that is definitely booming is Durant not far from the TX border, due largely to its expanding casino-hotel resort built by the Choctaws and drawing a lot of people wanting to gamble from the DFW area.
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I just finally moved from California to Tennessee. I couldn’t be happier. I have only been here a week, so I have a lot left to experience before making direct comparisons, but so far, I am simply thrilled with Tennessee.
Here is one tiny example.
I am keeping my AT&T internet. The lady who helped me with that transition set me up for a self install for my equipment. I called to tell her I really need an AT&T tech to set me up as I am not tech savvy. Her response was for me to call her the day before setup, and she would come over and set everything up for me, saving me a $150 charge from AT&T to do so.
Do you really think that would ever happen in California. No and he’ll no.
That is just one example. I could list 20 such examples in the 8 days I have been here in Tennessee.
California sucks in so many different ways.
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