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Old 04-29-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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IF YOU were MAYOR of 'any RIOT-TOWN USA' , would you have told the Police to shoot to kill rioters???
There are MANY steps that could have been taken to stop the rioters without shooting, but due to orders not to do so by the Democrat mayors, those steps weren't taken. Shooting with live ammo by the police should be a last ditch option when no other reasonable means of stopping the rioting, arson, destruction is available.

In other words, I would not take the option of shooting off the table, but other means should be attempted first.

I also believe that individuals should have the right to defend their lives and livelihood from rioters who seek to destroy it. Why should a lawbreaking rioter be immune to consequences of their violent illegal actions? If the police can't or won't protect the lives and livelihoods of law abiding citizens, then the citizens should be allowed to protect themselves.

 
Old 04-29-2021, 08:34 AM
 
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wtf do you think they were doing to state and federal buildings, which had elected officials in them, in different cities? Trying to remodel them to make them better? Blocking people inside the buildings while they set fire to them, just to let them roast some hot dogs over the fire? Were they just tranced under Obamanosis, Hillarynosis, or Biden*nosis, too?
You DO know that people have been arrested and are being prosecuted for those acts???
 
Old 04-29-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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You DO know that people have been arrested and are being prosecuted for those acts???
You DO know that many protesters are being released with no charges because AG's are refusing to charge them, even when they have firm evidence of felony wrongdoing, don't you???
 
Old 04-29-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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You DO know that many protesters are being released with no charges because AG's are refusing to charge them, even when they have firm evidence of felony wrongdoing, don't you???
Actually, no.

Clearly your idea of "firm evidence of felony wrongdoing", differs from what AG's think. And AG's actually are professionals trained to look at and weigh evidence. Your ability to weigh evidence is corrupted by your bias. While some of the AG's may be biased as well, if people were arrested for these felonies, there are civil remedies available to the victims, even when the AG fails.
 
Old 04-29-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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20/20 hindsight vision.

If someone broke into your home, would you ask first if they are armed?
And yet, those who protect themselves against violent protesters are the ones who are charged.
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If an unarmed person rushed the President, I would fully expect the secret service behave in the same manner.
When Obama, while president, was stumping for Hillary a protester, while screaming "Bill Clinton is a rapist", rushed the stage that Obama was on. The protester was not shot.

Most/all presidential candidates have been rushed by a protester, Hillary even froze in fear during one of those times. None of those protesters were shot.

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Threaten a person under armed protection in a breached government installation, I fully expect the same outcome.
I would expect they first give demands for the protester to stop or they would be shot. Allegedly the shooter cop didn't do that. His lawyer claimed he did but also claimed that no one heard him and it wasn't heard on any of the videos because "he was putting a mask on while he was yelling". only the simple minded would believe that excuse.
 
Old 04-29-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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Actually, no.

Clearly your idea of "firm evidence of felony wrongdoing", differs from what AG's think. And AG's actually are professionals trained to look at and weigh evidence. Your ability to weigh evidence is corrupted by your bias. While some of the AG's may be biased as well, if people were arrested for these felonies, there are civil remedies available to the victims, even when the AG fails.
Clearly you don't know as much as you like to pretend you do.


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Over the 10 weeks cited by the report, more than 16,200 people were arrested for protest-related crimes. More than half of the law enforcement agencies said local district attorneys declined to prosecute those cases.

"In some instances, prosecutors refused to charge those arrested for felony crimes committed during the protests despite the availability of video evidence and suspect confessions," the report said.
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/p...24704f86a.html
 
Old 04-29-2021, 09:38 AM
 
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Clearly you don't know as much as you like to pretend you do.


https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/p...24704f86a.html
Clearly we should trust YOUR judgment over prosecuting attorneys. The police put together a report that puts the police in the best possible light, what a shock!
 
Old 04-29-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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Clearly we should trust YOUR judgment over prosecuting attorneys. The police put together a report that puts the police in the best possible light, what a shock!
lol, when all else fails make excuses^
 
Old 04-29-2021, 11:17 AM
 
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And yet, those who protect themselves against violent protesters are the ones who are charged.
When Obama, while president, was stumping for Hillary a protester, while screaming "Bill Clinton is a rapist", rushed the stage that Obama was on. The protester was not shot.

Most/all presidential candidates have been rushed by a protester, Hillary even froze in fear during one of those times. None of those protesters were shot.

I would expect they first give demands for the protester to stop or they would be shot. Allegedly the shooter cop didn't do that. His lawyer claimed he did but also claimed that no one heard him and it wasn't heard on any of the videos because "he was putting a mask on while he was yelling". only the simple minded would believe that excuse.
Of course each and every event is taken into consideration. No two situations are identical. Not every home invasion results in a shooting... but a home invasion that does is covered under certain legal protections. It is a weak "what about.." argument you are presenting.


If a protester was shot rushing Obama and if the secret service deemed it necessary to shoot to kill, I doubt it would be considered murder. Especially when the president is involved. I'd say the protester is lucky that the agent didn't shoot. Not all incidents like this will result in a shooting and not all incidents will not involve a shooting.... no one is stating otherwise.

As for individual violent protesters, charged... I doubt it would stick. I personally think if their property and self was in danger, they certainly should do what it takes. I don't think it would be considered murder. Now the devil is in the details.... like boundaries of what is considered breach of property. You cannot threaten a person with a firearm if they are standing on public property for example...


Again the premise of your argument is based on two unreasonable assumptions; 1) all incidents are the same and whether a shooting did or did not occur equates to justification 2) in the heat of the moment it is reasonable for the officer to know whether the person is unarmed or armed. You are also ignoring that 100s of individuals broke and breached into a government building while in session.. You conveniently are ignoring that.

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Old 04-29-2021, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If the police were tasked with the protection of high ranking government officials and rioters threatened them, yes. The capitol police officer's role is different from a street officer in that they are a protection unit not only a peace keeping one.

If you compare the mission statements between DC Metro police and Capitol Police they are different.
Your changing the parameters of the question as it relates the THE RIOTS that caused 2 billions in property damage AND LOSS OF LIFE.

Give us a straight answer this time IF YOU CAN. (if you can't, we understand).






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