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Old 04-28-2021, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Jon Voight must not have much to do these days. The banjo music has faded.



They reap what they sow.
To be honest, I have met very few of that group of 75 million who can rationally explain their support for Trump. There are many who will only and always vote Republican but are not dedicated Trumpers. Among the Trump supporters there is no common platform or ideology other than devotion to Trump. But let the conversation continue and they can very easily, and will freely, express their hatred for minorities or immigrants or anyone who they have decided to blame for their imagined victim-hood. They have a list of Trump-defined grievances and Goblins who they blame for every shortcoming, real or fake. Like a trained parrot, they will witlessly repeat whatever has been pounded into their head. They are fearful, low-information nativists that have a need to hate or blame others, especially those who might represent a different national racial identity. That is undeniably the most common thread that runs through Trumpism.

The segment of the population that you have hurled your canned talking points at have traditionally been politically unrepresentable in kleptocracy America because we don't want anything.

Because we don't want anything from anyone else, we feel that others should keep their hands off the things working Americans have dedicated their lives to obtaining.

Of course, the state disengaging from the people's affairs destroys the ability of the kleptocracy to "klept," and that just won't do for the 0.1% donor class, garden variety mooches and the various aggrieved malcontents that made a senile Joe Biden president.

Much of what makes one person a Trump supporter (more specifically, a Trump policy supporter) and another person a Trump hater is what that person does for a living.

Blue-collar types, including retirees and the spouses of blue-collar types, are heavily invested in the United States.

It's the only place we could ever call home, so the threat of uncontrolled immigration (what you refer to a racism) on the culture and economy is paramount.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-the-heartland

We want borders, fair trade, energy independence and a credible military option, should defense of US terra firma become an issue.

This is all very reasonable, and it is exactly what we would expect of decent, hard-working and law-abiding Americans, so how can the kleptocracy counter a grassroots political movement that espouses such values.

Easy, they ascribe nefarious motives (racism, sexism, alphabet group phobia, etc.) to the policies that would preserve America for Americans.

This allows them to side-step a serious policy debate and, indirectly, helps them **** in the American pool by making our country politically and socially unrecognizable.

And since only a united United States could stop international corporations from doing the truly disgusting things for which soulless international corporations and their reptilian leadership are famous, for those in the elite political class, those tasked with dividing America for the benefit of their 0.1% overlords, devaluing American society with cancel culture, BLM and #MeToo! makes selling it off in pieces much, much easier (see NBA, Disney, Google, Coca-Cola, etc.).

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/nba...ll-trump-order

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/10...rnet-to-china/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/b...abor-bill.html
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:11 PM
 
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Karl Marx
The Poverty of Philosophy
Chapter Two: The Metaphysics of Political Economy

Does that seem familiar to anyone?
The word box doesn't show up in the quote.

I haven't read that till now, but in reading it I do know the root of it. And he sets it up in a manner where he assumes that anyone who challenges it, is sucked into his demented system of never ending division. Assuming his ownership in all that follows, claiming the origin of thought. But he only has an origin of twisted thought that doesn't add up to anything, as it is continually diluted into the realm of a lesser meaning and ends in nothingness or zero sum. As he is continually divided against himself in conflict. And nothing is ever joined together in that eternal conflict, because it is always at odds, with itself. According to him there is no complete truth, only a continual reforming, with no destination to point too, completely lost, in a web of lies.

I'll look past him, knowing One who is greater and is not divided. And knowing the harmony of plumb true relativity. You can't build a house that brings everything together in one togetherness without that. The primary truth remains the same throughout it's heritage.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Jon Voight must not have much to do these days. The banjo music has faded.
He was pretty good in Ray Donovan.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:42 PM
 
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Hollyweird has always sort of been WOKE since its inception. It was always more WOKE than the current order of things at any given time.
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Old 04-29-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The segment of the population that you have hurled your canned talking points at have traditionally been politically unrepresentable in kleptocracy America because we don't want anything.

Because we don't want anything from anyone else, we feel that others should keep their hands off the things working Americans have dedicated their lives to obtaining.

Of course, the state disengaging from the people's affairs destroys the ability of the kleptocracy to "klept," and that just won't do for the 0.1% donor class, garden variety mooches and the various aggrieved malcontents that made a senile Joe Biden president.

Much of what makes one person a Trump supporter (more specifically, a Trump policy supporter) and another person a Trump hater is what that person does for a living.

Blue-collar types, including retirees and the spouses of blue-collar types, are heavily invested in the United States.

It's the only place we could ever call home, so the threat of uncontrolled immigration (what you refer to a racism) on the culture and economy is paramount.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-the-heartland

We want borders, fair trade, energy independence and a credible military option, should defense of US terra firma become an issue.

This is all very reasonable, and it is exactly what we would expect of decent, hard-working and law-abiding Americans, so how can the kleptocracy counter a grassroots political movement that espouses such values.

Easy, they ascribe nefarious motives (racism, sexism, alphabet group phobia, etc.) to the policies that would preserve America for Americans.

This allows them to side-step a serious policy debate and, indirectly, helps them **** in the American pool by making our country politically and socially unrecognizable.

And since only a united United States could stop international corporations from doing the truly disgusting things for which soulless international corporations and their reptilian leadership are famous, for those in the elite political class, those tasked with dividing America for the benefit of their 0.1% overlords, devaluing American society with cancel culture, BLM and #MeToo! makes selling it off in pieces much, much easier (see NBA, Disney, Google, Coca-Cola, etc.).

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/nba...ll-trump-order

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/10...rnet-to-china/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/b...abor-bill.html
A voice calling from the tar pits: "Come on in, the water's fine".
No thanks -- I prefer reality. You make my case.
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Old 04-29-2021, 08:59 AM
 
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At this point any intelligent citizen who is not a hate filled old white guy would have to oppose Trump.

Amazing how Trump’s lies can poison so many people, even to commit something as horrible as 1/6, and yet these hate filled old codgers still regard anyone speaking the truth about what a disaster the Trump presidency was and what a horrible leader he is as “Trump hating”.

No, I think the fact they could continue to still support him has to be a reflection of perhaps too much of their own internal hate. Trump was the most hate projecting and divisive president in modern times. He appealed to people who needed enemies to discharge their grievances toward, and he provided plenty of them.
ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Race, age, hate.

blah blah blah.

Can't you at least come up with some better cliches?
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Old 04-29-2021, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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If Hollywood is so "woke".........

1) Why are Black actors such as Monique still complaining about unequal salaries?

2) Why did the Academy award Anthony Hopkins the Oscar over Chad Boseman?

3) Why was Voight's portrayal of coach Adolph Rupp, in Glory Road, too restrained, as opposed to the true racist Rupp was?

4) Why is Voight still getting work; winning a Golden Globe for Donovan, and not getting culturally cancelled? Why is another conservative, Gary Sinise, also still getting work?

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Old 04-29-2021, 09:37 AM
 
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You have watched CNN too much. They have even admitted they did everything to get Trump out of office, it was their job. Fake news for sure.
Don’t fool yourself. Trump lost because of trump. Had he been a glimmer of a decent human he would of won handily. But he isn’t his loss is on him.
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Old 04-29-2021, 09:37 AM
 
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It's always cracked me up that Jon Voight's penultimate career moment was a sex scene with Jane Fonda.

Sort of a James Carville/Mary Matalin type of paring.

talking about Jane Fonda. Last year before the election she came on the Howard Stern Show. She couldn't stop being bragging about herself for the anti-war movement (she stills double down) and then she goes We need to elect Joe Biden for President. He is what this country needs.


She has got to be one of the dumbest actresses in Hollywood full of herself. It's like a woman bragging about her record against women abuse and violence for decades and then saying I'm marrying OJ Simpson. He is a ladies man. Liberals, especially millionaires believe their own B.S.
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Old 08-25-2023, 04:17 AM
 
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A voice calling from the tar pits: "Come on in, the water's fine".
No thanks -- I prefer reality. You make my case.
And your lack of a serious response speaks for itself.
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