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Old 04-30-2021, 08:40 PM
 
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Interesting politicians looking out for the US taxpayer what a concept

States, led by Arizona, ask Supreme Court to intervene in fight over Trump-era rule on immigrants and welfare

A coalition of Republican states led by Arizona is urging the Supreme Court to intervene in the legal battle over a Trump-era policy that restricted immigrants who are deemed reliant on welfare from receiving green cards -- a policy the Biden administration has since dropped.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-le...205618416.html
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Old 04-30-2021, 09:46 PM
 
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Interesting politicians looking out for the US taxpayer what a concept

States, led by Arizona, ask Supreme Court to intervene in fight over Trump-era rule on immigrants and welfare

A coalition of Republican states led by Arizona is urging the Supreme Court to intervene in the legal battle over a Trump-era policy that restricted immigrants who are deemed reliant on welfare from receiving green cards -- a policy the Biden administration has since dropped.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-le...205618416.html



Continuing to defend the rule "is neither in the public interest nor an efficient use of limited government resources,"



Oh, now resources are limited!

Doesn't having third-world Barbie and her ever-expanding brood on the public dole drain what suddenly became "limited government resources"?
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Continuing to defend the rule "is neither in the public interest nor an efficient use of limited government resources,"



Oh, now resources are limited!

Doesn't having third-world Barbie and her ever-expanding brood on the public dole drain what suddenly became "limited government resources"?
Budgets, bubby.
The entire government operates on budgets. Each Department, Agency, and Service has it's own budget for a year, and when the money is spent, it's gone for the rest for the year remaining. It's all any of them get for the fiscal year, period.

The budgets are tricky; if they are estimated too high, the money has to be spent even when the spending isn't needed, or next year, the agency could be left broke with no more money available until the following year. The money can be shuffled around inside an agency from one area or project to another, so there's always a way to spend the extra.

So resources can become limited. Especially after a huge period of over-spending on things like Trump's wall.
The wall took away the money that should have gone to more useful and better purposes last year.

Now, there's no money in the 2021 budget to build any more wall or give out the work visas to the unemployed immigrants.

They want to go work the fields, and the farmers sure want them to come work. The visa resources came from the same budget as the wall resources. So, if lots of crops are never planted this spring, and some of our food prices go through the roof due to scarcity, blame the wall.

Or blame the guy who ordered the wall. Neither gives a damn about who gets the blame.
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Arizona is particularly complicated.
Half of the state wants the immigrants, and the other half still wants more wall. A few Arizonans want both at the same time.
And no one can compromise, apparently.

To add to the complications, there's a lot of the roadwore k that was done building the existing stretches of the completed wall that has to be restored back to it's original condition as natural desert before any more wall is built.
If it isn't done, the next big gully-washing monsoonal rains the desert gets will erode all that foundational work away and turn it into one big long arroyo that could collapse the construction that was completed.
And scar the delicate desert ecology past any hope of restoration.
And create a big long avenue for the coyotes to smuggle their customers into the U.S.

So there's a 3-way division going on inside Arizona. The closer to the border, the more fractious the argument becomes.

The courts are going to have a merry old time trying to straighten all this out.

I wouldn't be surprised if the courts don't kick it all out like a red hot coal that just popped out of the fireplace. They'll probably demand Arizona get its act together before they hear any arguments at all.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Not taking a stand on whther the public charge rule is good policy or not, I'm not sure this is within the authority of the Supreme Court to review. Has anyone seen a story that discusses what argument Arizona and the other states are using to assert this as an issue for the Court rather than a purely political matter?
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Old 05-01-2021, 02:40 AM
 
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Budgets, bubby.
The entire government operates on budgets. Each Department, Agency, and Service has it's own budget for a year, and when the money is spent, it's gone for the rest for the year remaining. It's all any of them get for the fiscal year, period.

The budgets are tricky; if they are estimated too high, the money has to be spent even when the spending isn't needed, or next year, the agency could be left broke with no more money available until the following year. The money can be shuffled around inside an agency from one area or project to another, so there's always a way to spend the extra.

So resources can become limited. Especially after a huge period of over-spending on things like Trump's wall.
The wall took away the money that should have gone to more useful and better purposes last year.

Now, there's no money in the 2021 budget to build any more wall or give out the work visas to the unemployed immigrants.

They want to go work the fields, and the farmers sure want them to come work. The visa resources came from the same budget as the wall resources. So, if lots of crops are never planted this spring, and some of our food prices go through the roof due to scarcity, blame the wall.

Or blame the guy who ordered the wall. Neither gives a damn about who gets the blame.

Except when it doesn't...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/u...ing-plans.html
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Old 05-01-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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There are unlimited visas for legal, foreign farm workers. Blame the wall? Huh? The wall is to keep out criminals, those from known terrorist countries and illegal aliens taking jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage such as in the construction industry and that are costing us over $100 billion a year! We should do away with the wall just so farm workers can sneak through? WTH!

The good walls have been 90% effective in preventing all of the above! It is cost effective and necessary!
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Old 05-01-2021, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Not taking a stand on whther the public charge rule is good policy or not, I'm not sure this is within the authority of the Supreme Court to review. Has anyone seen a story that discusses what argument Arizona and the other states are using to assert this as an issue for the Court rather than a purely political matter?
I found a little bit on my technical question: https://www.rollcall.com/2021/04/26/...c-charge-rule/

The issue was whether the state attorneys general had the authority to defend the rule themselves when the Biden administration elected not to defend the rule in court. The Supreme Court dismissed the case (without prejudice) indicatign it could continue through the lower courts.
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Old 05-01-2021, 06:14 AM
 
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Budgets, bubby.
The entire government operates on budgets.
You guys are a hoot pretending that this admin gives a crap about budgets. That is just the propaganda lies you lefties tell each other as you nod your empty heads in lemming like unison.

Current deficit spending "plans" are far beyond the scale of anything ever before even considered and these idiots in the current admin on the left side of the aisle are all in for it.


I wasnt even aware of this "public charge" policy the Trump admin had put in place.

But of course, since it is an excellent policy using common sense, the handlers of the current drooling idiot in the white house naturally want it gone.

How else to easily propagate thousands of govt dependant future democrats?
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Old 05-01-2021, 06:18 AM
 
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So resources can become limited. Especially after a huge period of over-spending on things like Trump's wall.
The wall took away the money that should have gone to more useful and better purposes last year.

Now, there's no money in the 2021 budget to build any more wall or give out the work visas to the unemployed immigrants.
It was announced this week the Pentagon is taking back the money that was to be spent on the Wall. Meanwhile the piles of construction material will sit and rot.
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