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Or did you forget that abortion kills about 450,000 females per year?
They conveniently, always forget that part.
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40
Do you people understand that there is really no solution here?
There is no free lunch.
Neither Trump or Biden or Obama or anyone else is going to fix it.
If the government takes over the entire system, people will be 'covered' but you're looking at rationing of care and death panels as 'they' decide who should get treatment and who shouldn't.
Other than this, the only way to bring down costs is the free market..... people have to decide to stop paying for certain treatments, medicines, and so forth.
Best option is to take care of your own health, the best you are able. Avoid medicines unless absolutely necessary, and always research lower cost alternative treatments.
This guy gets it. I DO NOT want government messing with healthcare. They'll just screw it and make it subpar like everything else they touch. The only reason the military seems to work so well is because they spend and ungodly amount of money on it.
If you want more people to pay a greater share of the federal income tax, you should pay them more than the bare minimum to live on.
Those poor wealthy people with all their stocks and investment properties and tax breaks for things like stock losses and private jets. Oh how our tax system tortures them.
You are always very selective with your data points.
The wealthy pay more because they have almost all the wealth in this country.
If the wealthy want to pay less in taxes and the lower classes to pay more, then they can start paying those bottom brackets more, after all that’s what is supposed to happen with trickle down economics right?
Hmm I wonder if the wealthy would do that if their tax burden is so bad…..
The irony of someone with "Wouldn't it be nice if America was a meritocracy?" under their username posting that people should be paid more than the bare minimum to live on is spectacular. You do know that said positions are diametrically opposed to each other, right?
Nobody is being selective with their data points. Facts are facts. The rich pay more taxes. Period. Deal with it.
This guy gets it. I DO NOT want government messing with healthcare. They'll just screw it and make it subpar like everything else they touch. The only reason the military seems to work so well is because they spend and ungodly amount of money on it.
^^^this guy gets it too
Our Federal Government's ranking is a D+, & not an "F" only due to the military, & the VA.
Tort reform, "loser pays" would reduce costs and unnecessay over-testing. That is job #1 that has no out of pocket costs associated with it.
Loosen up regs on building new hospitals, so there is a lot more competition...no out of pocket cost for that either...that is job #2.
Prohibit employees from getting healthcare, or health insurance through their employers, unless they are totally portable. No out of pocket costs there either, & people wont lose their healthcare insurance when they lose their jobs, and be subject to the crazy high costs of COBRA. This is job #3.
After this, it gets a lot harder to return the system to a free market system, but these 3 steps would create momentum, and reduce costs. The only people who will resist this are lawyers, Dems since they are in bed with the lawyers, & those benefitting from the current high cost systems now in place.
If you want more people to pay a greater share of the federal income tax, you should pay them more than the bare minimum to live on.
Those poor wealthy people with all their stocks and investment properties and tax breaks for things like stock losses and private jets. Oh how our tax system tortures them.
You are always very selective with your data points.
The wealthy pay more because they have almost all the wealth in this country.
If the wealthy want to pay less in taxes and the lower classes to pay more, then they can start paying those bottom brackets more, after all that’s what is supposed to happen with trickle down economics right?
Hmm I wonder if the wealthy would do that if their tax burden is so bad…..
European countries tax FAR more regressively. That's how they manage to provide so many social service programs. And by the way, Europeans earn LESS than Americans, on average, while being taxed FAR more.
Pay close attention to what that scatter plot chart at that link tells us... Note that the highest levels of redistribution are provided by countries (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium) in which taxes are flat (everyone pays the same tax rate) or regressive (shown as the negative values along the bottom axis, meaning a greater tax burden is placed on those with lower incomes). And note where the US falls on the chart. The US has the most progressive tax system and therefore is least able to fund things like UHC because the US tax base is way too narrow and overly dependent on a very small percentage at the top.
"...the progressivity of countries' tax codes is negatively correlated with the amount of redistribution they do."
That's very succinct, and as we can see from the research... true.
I would also advise anyone read the book recommended in the WaPo article, Growing Public, by Peter H Lindert, PhD. It, too, explains why it takes regressive taxation to develop, grow, and fund government social program spending programs like UHC/NHC to the point that effective redistribution actually takes place. Note that it does not in the US due to our overly progressive tax system.
If anyone wants UHC/NHC, free college, UBI, extended paid family leave, etc., the US needs to change the way we tax and move to a Euro-style regressive tax system.
This guy gets it. I DO NOT want government messing with healthcare. They'll just screw it and make it subpar like everything else they touch. The only reason the military seems to work so well is because they spend and ungodly amount of money on it.
So you rather pay ten times what healthcare costs in other countries? Wow, corporate toadie indeed. Protect those excess profits on back of the sick and injured.
Great lets spend the military budget on healthcare instead. WIN-WIN.
So you rather pay ten times what healthcare costs in other countries? Wow, corporate toadie indeed. Protect those excess profits on back of the sick and injured.
Profits are a tricky thing to be angry about. Guess who benefits when corporations profit? The 100 million American workers and retirees who have, in aggregate, $33.7 trillion worth of investments in their pension plans and retirement accounts (which obviously includes a substantial amount of corporate stock shares). Profitable corporations fund their retirement benefits/disbursements.
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