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Old 05-13-2008, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That was REALLY hot fire....
Yeah, I guess they made fire hotter back then.
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:34 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Has anyone ever thought that the ability to widely distribute information(even false info or lies) on the internet may be the reason there are so many nutballs who '' BELIEVE!!! ''?????

Just as the internet has assisted other nutball groups like white supremacists perhaps that is why so many people believe in wild conspiracies...

Or of course they grew up watching the X-Files...

Now HERE is an actual serious discussion we could be having:

Is the moon made of green cheese? (http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html - broken link)
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Old 05-13-2008, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The basic structure of the 3 towers was still intact after the planes hit. The usual theory put forth by the true believers is that the ensuing fires somehow collapsed the buildings. This simulation showed that temperatures 30% higher than the hottest that could have existed at the towers did nothing to collapse the structures.
If you think kerosine will melt steel, better think twice about firing up that grill of yours.
Why do you keep repeating these tired old lies. Steel melts at 1500° C, but loses virtually all it's strength by 1000°C. The building fire exceeded that temperature and the steel support structures collapsed. Simple engineering that any undergraduate engineering student could demonstrate.

It's really obvious that all you're trying to do is spread misinformation. Why is that?
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:31 AM
 
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Why do you keep repeating these tired old lies. Steel melts at 1500° C, but loses virtually all it's strength by 1000°C. The building fire exceeded that temperature and the steel support structures collapsed. Simple engineering that any undergraduate engineering student could demonstrate.

It's really obvious that all you're trying to do is spread misinformation. Why is that?
Then how did a steel framed hi-rise in Brazil burn for 26 hours and still remain intact? I thought, by your example, it would have 'lost all it's strength' after a couple hours, like the 3 trade center towers, then collapsed into a neat little footprint, of molten metal and pulverized concrete.

You never said what your credentials are.

You never gave an explaination for the towers falling with virtually no resistance.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:32 AM
 
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Why?

I don't Barbque with Kerosene nor does anyone else in the whole friggin' world!
A lot of people cook on kerosine stoves. Why don't they melt?
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:47 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Was there anything in the WTC buildings that was flammable?

You know,plastic,paper,wood....that sort of thing.

Or were they just giant empty hulks?
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Then how did a steel framed hi-rise in Brazil burn for 26 hours and still remain intact? I thought, by your example, it would have 'lost all it's strength' after a couple hours, like the 3 trade center towers, then collapsed into a neat little footprint, of molten metal and pulverized concrete.

You never said what your credentials are.

You never gave an explaination for the towers falling with virtually no resistance.
My guess is that the fire didn't get that hot, that airplanes hadn't crashed into the building weakening the supports and blowing the fire retardant insulation off the steel structure, and it's very likely that the fire mains weren't knocked out of commission. Lots of things. Why don't you present an engineering study of the Brazilian high rise fire.

The fact that one building collapses due to an even doesn't mean that all will.

What's your point about how the buildings fell? NIST didn't find anything extraordinary in the collapse, though I don't believe they conducted a specific analysis of it.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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You don't think there's a major difference between a bridge and two 110 story towers as well as one 47 story tower? Wow...such desperation.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Southeast
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So what's next? Claiming the Pentagon was hit with a missile instead of a plane?
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You don't think there's a major difference between a bridge and two 110 story towers as well as one 47 story tower? Wow...such desperation.
You miss the point,fuel from the tanker weakened the steel causing the bridge to collapse.
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