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Old 05-10-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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How many people in the placebo groups have died because they "didn't get the vaccine?"

What's your point? This isn't about death (mainly) and never was. The longer you (Wrongly) focus on the death count (vaccinated or not) the more you miss the boat on the things the smart people in charge actually care about.


It's about resources - nothing else (mainly).


So - in regard to dead folks in the placebo group - I'll assume you mean dead from COVID, as I'm certain many died of other causes, just as in the vaccinated group. From covid, since just 100 or so people got it, I'll guess 1 died, maybe 2 or 3, or maybe 0.


This just goes to show - the point was not to prevent death. Nope. It was to prevent overwhelming the health care system with symptomatic seriously ill people. That's it. By showing that the number of infections will be reduce by 95%, all other things being equal (which they aren't) - then we should be out of this mess soon.


It's NOT equal, though, mainly because vaccinated folks get seriously ill less often, so it's even better than a 95% reduction in hospitalizations. And also - because 95% of people won't really be asymptomatic spreaders, the chances of ANYONE getting it are ALSO reduced, by more than the advertised amount.


But - anyway - it does matter how many died. It simply does not.


Actually, that's all that matters. Do you not listen to thee MSM screaming over and over how many have died?

The vaccine isn't for the health industry pocket book.

It's to make sure people aren't dying.

Or are you redefining personal health as identifying as "hospital use and resources"?

That's not something that is measure as an endpoint in clinical trials.
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Old 05-10-2021, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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As far as I know there is no such thing as Kung Flu 1984. Please direct me to the CDC page about it, as I cannot find one.



1. The vaccines stopped being experimental when emergency use authorization was issued. Millions of people have been vaccinated. Adverse reactions do not take decades to show up in such large populations.

2. One percent of a large number is a large number, approaching 600,000 in the US. Mostly is not all.

3. The vaccines do stop spread by preventing asymptomatic infection. See link below.

4. The vaccines do prevent hospitalization and death.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...947-8/fulltext

"Adjusted estimates of vaccine effectiveness at 7 days or longer after the second dose were 95·3% against SARS-CoV-2 infection, 91·5% against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 97·0% (96·7–97·2; 32·5 vs 0·8 per 100 000 person-days) against symptomatic COVID-19, 97·2% against COVID-19-related hospitalisation, 97·5% against severe or critical COVID-19-related hospitalisation, and 96·7% against COVID-19-related death. In all age groups, as vaccine coverage increased, the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 outcomes declined."

5. If more people would take the vaccine, mask use could stop. Recommendations for mask use for vaccinated people are being relaxed already.

6. We will not reach herd immunity if too many people refuse the vaccine.

7. People who cannot be vaccinated need the protection of herd immunity, which means everyone without medical contraindications should be vaccinated.

8. People who are immunosuppressed may not be protected by the vaccine and may be killed by the coronavirus. They need the protection of herd immunity, which means everyone without medical contraindications should be vaccinated.

9. The lies are not coming from the medical community. The problem is a lack of science literacy that makes it impossible for some people to understand what the medical community is saying.
Nope. All Fake News.
It is not immunization, to make you remotely immune. It is Gene Therapy, that alters your DNA and has no effect, except side effects that can be deadly...
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Old 05-10-2021, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I didn't say they did. I said anti vaxxers are using the situation to spread bull****. Plain English.
Calling someone an anti-vaxxer, because they refuse an experimental untested chemical being injected into their body, is like calling someone anti-meat, because they refuse to eat last nights experimental spam casserole .
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Old 05-10-2021, 06:37 PM
 
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Which vaccine are you talking about?

There are multiple vaccines.

Are they identifying which vaccine people have received?

I am using the other posters stats. 4,600 vaccinated people out of 100 million have gotten covid. It does not matter which vaccine. Overall that is 95% better than without a vaccine.
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Still waiting for clinical trial mortality data.

How many people in the placebo groups have died because they "didn't get the vaccine?"
Israel has stats on its real life experience: vaccinated versus unvaccinated (your "placebo group").

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...947-8/fulltext

95.3% effective against infection
97% effective against symptomatic disease
91 % effective against asymptomatic disease
97.2% effective against hospitalization
97.5% effective against severe or critical hospitalization
96.7% effective against death.

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Nope. All Fake News.
It is not immunization, to make you remotely immune. It is Gene Therapy, that alters your DNA and has no effect, except side effects that can be deadly...
See the link above. The vaccines do prevent infection, so they do make you immune.

The vaccines cannot alter DNA. The mRNA cannot get into the nucleus where the DNA is.
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:15 AM
 
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Israel has stats on its real life experience: vaccinated versus unvaccinated (your "placebo group").

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...947-8/fulltext

95.3% effective against infection
97% effective against symptomatic disease
91 % effective against asymptomatic disease
97.2% effective against hospitalization
97.5% effective against severe or critical hospitalization
96.7% effective against death.



See the link above. The vaccines do prevent infection, so they do make you immune.

The vaccines cannot alter DNA. The mRNA cannot get into the nucleus where the DNA is.
You are arguing science with MAGAs. Just a reminder not to get your expectations up.
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Old 05-11-2021, 05:42 PM
 
Location: NY
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Absolutely.
First they are handing out baseball tickets,
then free groceries and now free metro
cards as incentives to take the shot.

This is the reality.
It has been over a year and two thirds of
Americans do not want the vaccine.
Leave them alone.
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Old 05-11-2021, 05:45 PM
 
Location: NY
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You are arguing science with MAGAs. Just a reminder not to get your expectations up.
Response: Opinion

Just a reminder..................don't get your expectations up.
Biden is President...................
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Old 05-12-2021, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Fatality rates are one thing, but those who have long term chronic problems after recovery is another thing.
That may be the REAL HORROR of C-19. Millions upon millions who have reduced lung function and other organ damage, may be a drag upon the nation.
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Old 05-12-2021, 12:49 AM
 
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Fatality rates are one thing, but those who have long term chronic problems after recovery is another thing.
That may be the REAL HORROR of C-19. Millions upon millions who have reduced lung function and other organ damage, may be a drag upon the nation.
Millions upon millions? Show a source. Most people who report "long covid" are reporting fatigue/brain fog etc.

I have a friend (mid 30s) who got Covid at the beginning (March 2020). She claimed to have trouble breathing, but went to several doctors, and no scans of her lungs showed anything. She was a dramatic type, I later traveled with her to Brazil (October 2020), and she was complaining about neck aches etc. I think all her "long covid" symptoms were in her head - sometimes people internalize what they read when they're hypochondriacs.

I don't doubt those who had severe symptoms, and were hooked to a vent will have issues for the rest of their lives. Though those people by and large are very old, and their bodies simply don't bounce back.
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