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Old 05-12-2021, 09:25 PM
 
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OK, so if the modern Democrats are the party of welfare, and the modern Repubicans are the party of the "working class", then pray tell - who is going to represent investors and professionals?



Wokeness has become bipartisan.
I don't know what you're talking about. So you tell us.

All I know is that Trump put Americans first and the democrats fought tooth and nail against that happening. The democrats lost me a long time ago. Sleazy dog that he is, Bubba was the last democrat who put Americans first. He cared about the border and had the San Diego/Tijuana wall built. He formed the Jordan Commission that was tasked with finding ways to deal with illegal immigration. The Commission came up with some great ideas but the democrats ignored them all. It was at that point that it was abundantly clear that they were no longer your grandfather (or father's) democrats.

 
Old 05-12-2021, 09:26 PM
 
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Anybody who espouses traditional center/right GOP positions is now a RINO. I mean my God, Liz Cheney is to the right of what used to be conservative Republicans....and they kicked her to the curb because of One Man. Now....the GOP is about unquestioned loyalty to that One Man (a former game show host from Queens). These are the characteristics of Autocratic/Authoritarian regimes....the strong man.

You must have been in a coma during the Bush/Cheney years. They woke up the base to the frauds they are. Why do you think Jeb Bush was rejected badly in 2016>? Was that the base in 2016 wanting to worship 1 man? you really are lost.

It's hard to even have a conversation with you. Anybody that goes against the base of both parties will be out of touch and kicked out. Democrats did it to Tulsi, a war veteran that crickets came out of your mouth and destroys your argument and exposes your hypocrisy.

Anybody that went after Biden and Hillary in the party were kicked out. Not only they forced her out of the party but called her a Russian Asset (an insult to a war veteran) and wasn't invited to the Democrat convention when Tulsi won delegates. They wanted her gone to worship and protect Biden and his lies but crickets from you because you voted for this fraud.

at least be consistent in your critique which only goes for 1 side. It's call credibility. I don't mind the critique but when you call only 1 side and ignore yours then you don't have much credibility here but you keep posting the same thing over and over.
 
Old 05-12-2021, 09:27 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Yep a life long conservative is now a "liberal" just for believing the election was not fraudulent. And the GOP has no choice because they have to appease the large bloc of MAGA. Sounds like a lose/lose situation they are up against. If you believe in truth and not in socialism, there is no party for you.
 
Old 05-12-2021, 09:37 PM
 
Location: At the Lake (in Texas)
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"We can't embrace the notion the election is stolen. It's a poison in the bloodstream of our democracy…. We can't whitewash what happened on January 6 or perpetuate Trump's big lie. It is a threat to democracy. What he did on January 6 is a line that cannot be crossed."

Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) stated this at the annual retreat for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.

Looks like folks are chasing sides with team McCarthy working to remove her as conference chair of the House Republicans.
Regardless of what happened today, and the fact that I am a bleeding heart, liberal feminist Democrat, I admire Liz Cheney and what she is standing for. Donald Trump has INFECTED the Republican party in a way we've not seen before, and has just about destroyed any hope of ever accomplishing bipartisan efforts to better this country for all people. I will stand with those of either party who will not accept or perpetuate The Big LIE.
 
Old 05-12-2021, 09:40 PM
 
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Yep a life long conservative is now a "liberal" just for believing the election was not fraudulent. And the GOP has no choice because they have to appease the large bloc of MAGA. Sounds like a lose/lose situation they are up against. If you believe in truth and not in socialism, there is no party for you.

oh please. Liz like her father lies about the war for 19 years. It wasn't about "telling the truth". When are the Cheneys keepers of the truth? She is lucky her father wasn't tried for war crimes and torture because she wouldn't have any career in politics.

Liz didn't want to go along with the party's playbook (democrats used it in 2016 and worked) because she doesn't believe in the base or Trump that We need to end the endless wars and leave the Middle East and stop being around the world throwing our wealth away.

Liz doesn't have a problem with Trump on taxes, immigration or judges. She has a problem with his foreign policy. That's why she joined Pelosi and the Democrats to prevent Trump from ever leaving Afghanistan as President. That's the fight. There are billions of dollars a year that people benefits of endless wars. It's big money and for Liz, Trump and the base are a problem to end the money flow. War is a profitable business for a small group and Liz represents them.

Democrats used to be against the war and endless occupations. That's why Hillary and Biden were rejected in 2008 by the party but today they sold their principles by electing Biden and defending a Cheney. Twilight Zone in politics.




This is about the truth?
 
Old 05-13-2021, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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I respect their courage to stand up for their principles. Romney and Liz have more courage than trump and his three stooges put together.
and I respect your democratic rights to your opinions while strongly disagreeing with them, it is called Freedoms of Expression and Democracy, Which I Practice.
 
Old 05-13-2021, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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I'm not interested in your/my grandfather's Democrats. I'm interested in King George III's Tories. And your obsession with illegals is, well, an obsession. Since that controversy has become a tad hackneyed, here's another one: the more H1-B's that I can get, the better it is, for my bottom line. And probably for the companies whose stock I hold. Given that, my question is repeated: for whom ought I to vote?
I am 100 % Percent legal, I have my legal documents to prove it. All my Family immigrated legally the right way, we waited our turn in the hell hole nation of Cuba under the Castro's eternal dictatorship for x numbers of Years and immigrated legally to the USA and Miami, the right way. We are all Proud of it With Pride And Honor. A native Cuban and American Patriot Citizen of the USA. Proud Republican Trump Supporter, Proud Ronald Reagan Supporter, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA. Proud Trump Cultist, Proud Reagan Cultist, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizen of the USA, With Pride And Honor. For the two Greatest American Presidents ever of the USA, With Pride And Honor. USA, USA, USA.

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Old 05-13-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Romney has been in politics for decades...yet only now when he's not completely in line with Trump, he's a RINO. Liz Cheney, with her 90% voting record with Trump and family pedigree, is no longer good enough for the Retrumplican base.

Where does George Bush fall? He's been incredible critical of Trump. Is he a RINO?
It's like you didn't read a single thing I wrote.

Fascinating how you glossed right over that.
 
Old 05-13-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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Trump and the Republicans have promoted countless lies -- that his campaign did not collude with the Russians, that Trump was a great businessman, ... -- but the lie we are discussing here is the Big Lie -- the lie that the election was stolen.
 
Old 05-13-2021, 11:52 AM
 
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Trump and the Republicans have promoted countless lies -- that his campaign did not collude with the Russians, that Trump was a great businessman, ... -- but the lie we are discussing here is the Big Lie -- the lie that the election was stolen.
Democrats doesn't have a leg to stand on. Your side put a corrupt liar since 1973 that has lied about his war votes, is the grandfather of mass incarceration, lied about his PRO China votes against America, didn't do anything in the private sector that got rich and his family in government.

Just last year, Biden said he was arrested in Africa and shared a cell with Nelson Mandela. You liberals ate it up: " We want more of your B.S, Give us more"

You calling a close election fraud a "BIG LIE" but talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It worked for you Democrats after 2016 to win Congress and Georgia but are shocked that Trump plays the same game?

If you call that a big lie while refusing to call it on your own party, what do you call Biden's lies about his own war votes for the 19 year old war? Super Lies? Lies on steroids?

you lost any tiny credibility you ever had a long time ago here but you keep coming. The energizer bunny, I hope the DNC is paying you. It would suck if you shovel B.S. for free. Get paid. Have Biden put you in the government's payroll.
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