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Old 05-09-2021, 01:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
Employers have gotten quite good at screening people out based on job descriptions that may be completely fictional.
For example, many employers have lift requirements, as in, the employee must be able to lift 25, 40, even 75 pounds.
This may never actually be required in the course of one’s normal workday, but it sure screens out a lot of people who may be older, pregnant, or otherwise physically compromised.

If an employee has a public-facing position and feels that they cannot perform that function for fear of contracting COVID, an employer is well within their rights to either require the vaccine or fire said employee.
I'll ask again: What specific health-related questions can an employer ask a job candidate?

What office job demands an employee be able to life 75 pounds? You are grasping at a greased pig.

If an employee cannot fulfill their job because of their own self-induced fear and bias, of course the employer can fire them. If I suddenly became afraid of parrots and refused to feed the birds, of course the pet shop owner would fire me. Duh.

 
Old 05-09-2021, 01:09 PM
 
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I'll ask again: What specific health-related questions can an employer ask a job candidate?

What office job demands an employee be able to life 75 pounds? You are grasping at a greased pig.

If an employee cannot fulfill their job because of their own self-induced fear and bias, of course the employer can fire them. If I suddenly became afraid of parrots and refused to feed the birds, of course the pet shop owner would fire me. Duh.
Here you go:

“Charlesetta Jennings worked as a Support Services Assistant (SSA) for a law firm. Her job mostly consisted of printing, copying and scanning, and a wide range of tasks that varied from day to day, such as setting up conference rooms, delivering the mail, shipping packages, and making deliveries. Jennings was the only SSA assigned to work at certain locations or on Saturdays. The job description for SSA included “lifting or moving items weighing up to 75 pounds.” After experiencing a side effect due to breast cancer treatments, Jennings’s doctor set a permanent 20 pound lifting restriction for her. After providing her with six months of leave, the law firm terminated Jennings.
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The court concluded that “Jennings is not a qualified individual under the ADA because she cannot lift more than twenty pounds, which is an essential function of the SSA job, and because the EEOC has not identified any reasonable accommodation that would allow her to perform this essential job function.””

https://www.mcafeetaft.com/lifting-r...yeesadaclaims/
 
Old 05-09-2021, 02:03 PM
 
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In all cases, the market will decide, won’t it?
If there are outbreaks as a result and people decide these environments aren’t worth the risk thereby eliminating any economic benefits, well...
Let the markets decide then, not state governments.

Either way, I cannot imagine all nightclubs going out of business. Some people may stop going, but there will always be enough people to support some nightclubs.

Are you ok with state governments mandating nightclubs cease operations to fight Covid?
 
Old 05-09-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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You mean like they already have in Florida?
Why just Florida? It should be all 50 states.
 
Old 05-10-2021, 01:52 AM
 
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You've just made the best case there is for not mandating vaccines. The vaccine is effective. Anyone who wants one can have one. No employer, university, or venue needs to feel responsible or liable for someone getting Covid on their premises, because everyone has had the opportunity to receive a free vaccination.

This is how scientific achievement works in a free society.
Perhaps...but why then is polio vaccine is mandated for all public school kids..oh yeah..because it is communicable and who wants their kids to live in an iron lung..
 
Old 05-10-2021, 01:56 AM
 
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Perhaps...but why then is polio vaccine is mandated for all public school kids..oh yeah..because it is communicable and who wants their kids to live in an iron lung..
Never was mandated, since all you needed to do was a check a box that you had a religious or philosophical objection.
 
Old 05-10-2021, 02:20 AM
 
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In my area, it's almost a 50/50 mix, crosses all ages and political views. And some that are against the COVID vaccines are RNs.
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These sweeping generalizations just don't represent the reality of how many are not in favor of the COVID vaccines specifically.

But in general, those against vaccines are the granola-types. But you'll convince a pro-vaccine liberal of that.
RNs and healthcare workers with direct patient contact will be required to be vaccinated once permanent FDA approval is granted..

Some are willing to leave their profession, their choice,
Have 3 sisters still working as RNs, all had to be vaccinated or be laid off, except for legitimate medical reasons, such as immune compromised, chemotherapy

Yikes we were required to get a yearly flu shot when I was still working!
 
Old 05-10-2021, 05:51 AM
 
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Here you go:

“Charlesetta Jennings worked as a Support Services Assistant (SSA) for a law firm. Her job mostly consisted of printing, copying and scanning, and a wide range of tasks that varied from day to day, such as setting up conference rooms, delivering the mail, shipping packages, and making deliveries. Jennings was the only SSA assigned to work at certain locations or on Saturdays. The job description for SSA included “lifting or moving items weighing up to 75 pounds.” After experiencing a side effect due to breast cancer treatments, Jennings’s doctor set a permanent 20 pound lifting restriction for her. After providing her with six months of leave, the law firm terminated Jennings.
...
The court concluded that “Jennings is not a qualified individual under the ADA because she cannot lift more than twenty pounds, which is an essential function of the SSA job, and because the EEOC has not identified any reasonable accommodation that would allow her to perform this essential job function.””

https://www.mcafeetaft.com/lifting-r...yeesadaclaims/
Great example as lifting is PART OF THE JOB. Great example of a company working with a person, providing extended time off her health reasons, and then the person was UNABLE to do thee job anymore.

Employer was upfront about job expectations, was flexible in the employee's time of need, and then had to fire her because she was unable to meet the job description for which SHE WAS HIRED.

Let's examine vaccines:

What part of NOT getting a vaccine would make a person ineffective at the job per the employers job description?

Hint: None.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
Old 05-10-2021, 05:52 AM
 
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RNs and healthcare workers with direct patient contact will be required to be vaccinated once permanent FDA approval is granted..

Some are willing to leave their profession, their choice,
Have 3 sisters still working as RNs, all had to be vaccinated or be laid off, except for legitimate medical reasons, such as immune compromised, chemotherapy

Yikes we were required to get a yearly flu shot when I was still working!
What law says all patient-facing healthcare workers must be vaccinated?
 
Old 05-10-2021, 05:54 AM
 
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Great idea!
Keeps the bugs out of your mouth.
Also a great way to pass out from intense exercise in 95 degree heat/humidity and get run over by a car.

YMMV.
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