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Old 05-08-2021, 12:09 AM
 
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Only in your dreams.
Really, what's the true figure?

I cannot find a tally as of May 8th.

As of May 4th, 500 people in Chicago who were fully vaccinated got it. Assuming Chicago has a population of 2.5 million, and America has a population over 330 million, we'd estimate over 65,000 break through cases.

Of course, not every area has the level of viral transmission as Chicago.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:17 AM
 
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Really, what's the true figure?

I cannot find a tally as of May 8th.

As of May 4th, 500 people in Chicago who were fully vaccinated got it. Assuming Chicago has a population of 2.5 million, and America has a population over 330 million, we'd estimate over 65,000 break through cases.

Of course, not every area has the level of viral transmission as Chicago.
This is tiring, I replied to the ridiculous OP. You keep alternating between (imaginary) deaths and breakthrough cases without specifying which one you are talking about.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:28 AM
 
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If 100 million individuals get vaccinated approximately five million will still be susceptible to contracting Covid-19. How many who actually do depends on the prevalence of the virus and the various strains.

If you wear a seatbelt there's a chance that you won't be thrown out of your vehicle right before it explodes. I still wear my seatbelt.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:32 AM
 
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If 100 million individuals get vaccinated approximately five million will still be susceptible to contracting Covid-19. How many who actually do depends on the prevalence of the virus and the various strains.

If you wear a seatbelt there's a chance that you won't be thrown out of your vehicle right before it explodes. I still wear my seatbelt.
That's not what efficacy means. Potentially everyone who got vaccinated could get Covid19 at some point, and it could still be 95% effective.

Put it this way, at 95% effective, it means that if all it takes for you normally to get infected with Covid19 is running into 1 person with Covid19, you'd need to run into 20 people with Covid19 to get infected.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:33 AM
 
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If 100 million individuals get vaccinated approximately five million will still be susceptible to contracting Covid-19. How many who actually do depends on the prevalence of the virus and the various strains.

If you wear a seatbelt there's a chance that you won't be thrown out of your vehicle right before it explodes. I still wear my seatbelt.
Yep.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:33 AM
 
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This is tiring, I replied to the ridiculous OP. You keep alternating between (imaginary) deaths and breakthrough cases without specifying which one you are talking about.
Then go to sleep.

You said n=1, implying Damion Lee was the only breakthrough case.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:34 AM
 
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Yep.
Nope, this shows you don't know what efficacy measures.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:38 AM
 
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Breaking news: the vaccines are not 100% effective. You heard it here first.

Or maybe not...
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:41 AM
 
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Then go to sleep.

You said n=1, implying Damion Lee was the only breakthrough case.
Nope, the OP quoted one case implying that proves something. So follow your own advice, good night.
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Old 05-08-2021, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It seems to be way less than 90% at this stage. I’ve seen a very high number of people getting Covid after the vaccine
New info from Israel: Pfizer 95.3 % effective starting seven days after second dose.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...947-8/fulltext

A lot of people who are getting infected are doing so after only one dose or too soon after the second dose for optimal protection to develop. They are not following directions to mask and isolate after being vaccinated and relax too soon.

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Like I said, not even you believes there was only death from the vaccine. Also, confirming 1 death does not mean all the other deaths (thousands of them) from the vaccines are not due to the vaccine. Like I said, if they're not doing thorough investigations, they're not going to find any deaths.
They are doing the investigations.

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That's not what efficacy means. Potentially everyone who got vaccinated could get Covid19 at some point, and it could still be 95% effective.

Put it this way, at 95% effective, it means that if all it takes for you normally to get infected with Covid19 is running into 1 person with Covid19, you'd need to run into 20 people with Covid19 to get infected.
Not the way it works. The effectiveness figures are for groups, not individuals. A person is either protected (one of the 95% who are) or not protected (one of the 5% who are not). For that person the number is either 100% or 0%. The 95% tells him the odds that he is 100% protected. A person cannot be 95% protected.
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