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So much for the claim often made here that the vaccines prevent you from getting or spreading COVID19-- that didn't work for the Warriors Guard, Damion Lee. The usual response to this is that Damion Lee had a mild case of COVID19, so didn't the vaccine make his case milder?
Yet another thread where some genius has figured out that vaccines claiming 95% effectiveness are not 100% effective.
It's truly remarkable how many folks have had this "AAAAHHH HAAAA!!!!" moment and rushed in here to post about it.
These vaccines were pushed as preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death. As far as I know they never claimed to prevent people from catching it and my guess is if they were testing more vaccinated people they would get many positive Covid results. But if you have it and don't feel sick you aren't going to go get tested are you?
Most of us you know, have a life outside of c-d, jobs, family and things. Especially on a beautiful Saturday with a chance to picnic with the grandkids. We get back to threads when we get back to them, or we don't if we have more important things to do. If you need spoon-feeding on a random forum every few hours then it sounds like you have other serious personal problems you need attend to.
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Just more garbage from someone for unknown reasons.
You sound triggered. What's the matter, article pointing out something you don't want to hear? This isn't some rambling from a random Internet mob. It's an edited article in USA Today newspaper about something that actually happened. You know, what people in the real world call "a fact". And facts and reality are stubborn things that don't go away just because they're inconvenient for whatever fantasies you're desperate to cling to.
These vaccines were pushed as preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death. As far as I know they never claimed to prevent people from catching it and my guess is if they were testing more vaccinated people they would get many positive Covid results. But if you have it and don't feel sick you aren't going to go get tested are you?
That's what I'd heard too and people were initially saying that on this forum, but then some others got so desperate to overplay the vaccines they started making claims they stopped you from catching it and spreading it too. Which, obviously isn't the case. That's why articles like this are useful, they serve as reality check against a lot of the overdone claims about this subject. The vaccines do seem to reduce serious illness and hospitalization at least in some people, that's why we, in a high risk group, still looking at options and taking it eventually. But even then a lot of vaccinated people are coming down with severe COVID19, and dying or getting hospitalized from it. So the decision isn't as easy like some trying to claim. Already even the Pfizer CEO is saying that immunity from the vaccine is wearing off, and even vaccinated people will need a booster or they won't have much protection from COVID anymore. And then there are mutants, ex. now our doc among others is saying the vaccines work against most, but not against the S. African one or the Indian mutants. So it makes sense even for some of us in high risk to maybe hold off on getting the shot during the summer and early fall, when it seems like COVID19 doesn't do much harm-- looks like it's seasonal like the flu, last summer in 2020 before vaccines, the numbers also went way down. And then consider a shot maybe sometime in late fall, when it looks like we'd need a new shot anyway.
These vaccines were pushed as preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death. As far as I know they never claimed to prevent people from catching it
Where do people come up with this?
You know the 95% efficacy rate that has been thrown about with Pfizer and Moderna since the trials were concluded? That is based on way fewer people catching covid in the vaccine group than the placebo group. These vaccines have been advertised from the start as reducing changes of symptomatic covid, and reducing chance of serious illness and death if you do catch it.
You sound triggered. What's the matter, article pointing out something you don't want to hear? This isn't some rambling from a random Internet mob. It's an edited article in USA Today newspaper about something that actually happened. You know, what people in the real world call "a fact". And facts and reality are stubborn things that don't go away just because they're inconvenient for whatever fantasies you're desperate to cling to.
They aren't triggered, they are laughing that you started a thread to point out that someone who took a vaccine with a 95% efficacy didn't have 100% efficacy.
Nobody is doubting that someone who is vaccinated can get covid, so it's funny you thinking this proves something.
Take a math course and pay attention to the part about 'percent', as in 80 percent effective, or 90 percent effective. I have never seen a RELIABLE source say " the vaccines prevent you from getting or spreading COVID19".
Try taking your own advice and pay attention. Someone at the CDC was trying to make just this claim recently, though now looks like CDC is having to pull back on it because more vaccinated people are getting and spreading COVID19. At any case, the lack of effectiveness of the vaccine for what looks like growing number of people, indicates that maybe things like a vaccine passport or privileges are dumb idea because the vaccines obviously don't work for a lot of people, and they're still getting and spreading COVID. And in many cases, dying or winding up in hospital for it. And by your own statement, the vaccines would not make any sense for people at low risk, like NBA players. Exactly zero of them died of COVID in 2020, before any vaccine was available. So there's little obvious benefit in them getting the vaccine since they're not very vulnerable, and they can spread it anyway even if the get the shot for it.
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