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How is a registration giving the national government 'unlimited power'? A registration is only a list of who owns what and where. By itself it does not allow the government anything and can actually be used to protect people from being falsely implicated in crimes.
Examples please
Registration leads to confiscation California is a perfect example
Under current California law, the government is empowered to confiscate an individual’s firearms if a family member or law enforcement officer petitions a court to do so and the court determines that there is a “substantial likelihood” that the individual “poses a significant danger” to themselves or others. The entire procedure takes place ex parte. This means that the person targeted with the confiscation order is not provided with any opportunity to present evidence and offer a defense in court or even receive notice of the petition prior to the confiscation of their firearms.
The California scheme has unconstitutional effects. As proposed, every family member of a gun owner and every law enforcement officer will enjoy an unlawful veto over that gun owner’s Second Amendment rights and the gun owner has no opportunity to object until their rights have been infringed. Due process is fundamental; at a minimum, due process requires notice, an opportunity to be heard and present evidence, and the right to be represented by counsel.
Registration leads to confiscation California is a perfect example
Under current California law, the government is empowered to confiscate an individual’s firearms if a family member or law enforcement officer petitions a court to do so and the court determines that there is a “substantial likelihood” that the individual “poses a significant danger” to themselves or others. The entire procedure takes place ex parte. This means that the person targeted with the confiscation order is not provided with any opportunity to present evidence and offer a defense in court or even receive notice of the petition prior to the confiscation of their firearms.
The California scheme has unconstitutional effects. As proposed, every family member of a gun owner and every law enforcement officer will enjoy an unlawful veto over that gun owner’s Second Amendment rights and the gun owner has no opportunity to object until their rights have been infringed. Due process is fundamental; at a minimum, due process requires notice, an opportunity to be heard and present evidence, and the right to be represented by counsel.
I actually happen to disagree with that law, myself. That law specifically is absolutely an overreach, however 'well intentioned' it may be. But the mere existence of a registration (of any object, mind) does not inherently allow the government this level of authority to just confiscate said object from whoever owns it. Such authority must be granted by a legally separate law, no matter if it was tacked on to the same bill as the registry law. To insist otherwise is fear mongering and dishonest.
How is a registration giving the national government 'unlimited power'? A registration is only a list of who owns what and where. By itself it does not allow the government anything and can actually be used to protect people from being falsely implicated in crimes.
The founders of this country did not want the govt to have the power to create a gun registry/list of owners...thats all we need to know...we have already tolerated govt violating our rights far too much, we dont need to give them anymore ground!
Id love to see an agent of the govt come to my house attempting to take firearms away!!!
We need to stand up and exercise our 2nd Amendment rights, if we just allow them to violate, what happens next time and the next time after that?
We have 2nd Amendment rights...but the catch is, we need to stand up to exercise them! (if we do not 'frighten' the govt...tyranny will gain a foothold...we cannot allow that)
We have 2nd Amendment rights...but the catch is, we need to stand up to exercise them! (if we do not 'frighten' the govt...tyranny will gain a foothold...we cannot allow that)
You're joking, right? January 6th proved this to be an absolute lie. All I'm hearing is a bunch of baseless right wing talking points and fear mongering and no actual data or sources to back any of this up (aside from the one mention of a specific California law that I already refuted).
Here's an attention getting opening anecdote. The floor gave way!
I'm starting to think maybe things might finally shift with Biden.
How the ATF, Key to Biden's Gun Plan, Became an NRA 'Whipping Boy'
If there was one moment that summed up the current state of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, it was when the floor at the agency’s gun-tracing center caved in a couple of years ago under the weight of paper. The accident was not entirely accidental. The gun lobby, led by the National Rifle Association, has for years systematically blocked plans to modernize the agency’s paper-based weapons-tracing system with a searchable database. As a result, records of gun sales going back decades are stored in boxes stacked seven high, waiting to be processed, against every wall.
In the 48 years since its mission shifted primarily to firearms enforcement, it has been weakened by relentless assaults from the NRA that have, in the view of many, made the ATF appear to be an agency engineered to fail.
At the NRA’s instigation, Congress has limited the bureau’s budget. It has imposed crippling restrictions on the collection and use of gun-ownership data, including a ban on requiring basic inventories of weapons from gun dealers. It has limited unannounced inspections of gun dealers. Fifteen years ago, the NRA successfully lobbied to make the director’s appointment subject to Senate confirmation — and has subsequently helped block all but one nominee from taking office. https://www.yahoo.com/news/atf-key-b...d56A4QWDd5Eqbt
Out of New York where they began and off to Texas they go.
How is a registration giving the national government 'unlimited power'? A registration is only a list of who owns what and where. By itself it does not allow the government anything and can actually be used to protect people from being falsely implicated in crimes.
Title II weapons are registered. Since 1986 the registration for new fully automatic firearms has been closed. Possession of an unregistered fully automatic firearm carries severe penalties.
Automatic firearms were never banned, just registration requirements were tightened to the point that no new automatic firearms could be added, its now only one additional step to ultimately make them non-transferable too.
Can you see no possible parallel that could be drawn on a national registry of firearms?
Its also a violation to prosecute criminals for not registering firearms, or lying on firearms forms, since it violates their 5th Amendment rights (Haynes). Which kind of makes it interesting enforcing registration.
Under FOPA the FedGov cannot implement a national firearms registry.
You're joking, right? January 6th proved this to be an absolute lie. All I'm hearing is a bunch of baseless right wing talking points and fear mongering and no actual data or sources to back any of this up (aside from the one mention of a specific California law that I already refuted).
Jan 6th was not a serious attempt to remove govt from power, ( it was a stunt at the most).
We already know how frightened the govt is of citizens...look no further than the NFA/Class 3, ATF laws...they are VERY STRICT on these laws, get caught with a machine gun and its an automatic 10yr sentence along with a huge fine!
(That shows how frightened they truly are of citizens gaining access to 'more powerful' firearms)...those laws are NOT to protect citizens...its to protect the Govt itself.
How is a registration giving the national government 'unlimited power'? A registration is only a list of who owns what and where. By itself it does not allow the government anything and can actually be used to protect people from being falsely implicated in crimes.
every despotic regime in history first registered firearms, then confiscated them.
Apparently the historic sale of firearms implies the people do not trust the government to protect them and the latest scourge of socialist corruption of justice, further strengthens the need to own a gun. Purchase a firearm and it is automatically listed.
Registration is a starting place for cops to investigate your murder, not prevent it.
Place a pin in a map of any city or state for each occurrence of violence. Notice how the pins cluster. Gang related shooting make up the largest portion of murders. Far outnumbering even the latest exclusionary definition of 'mass shooting'.
Why the weekend mass killings in the inner cities are reduced to numbers to avoid ginning up emotions and why perps resisting arrest get the full backstory including their sobbing children, mother, brother, baby pictures, dashed hopes and dreams, speaks of the media delivering the narrative for a political agenda. No concern for lives lost, false data supplied will never ever allow an approach to a viable solution. Average gang member is 15 years old, headline...' child killed in shootout' tally that one up for the children killed by guns list.
Violence is not evenly distributed across cities, towns and states.
Why would the government restrict law abiding citizens firearm ownership when it is crystal clear where the problems exist and a sure bet where the next act of violence will occur.
Insurance companies are frothing at the mouth to get a list of policy holders who own guns. Sure, you can keep your guns if you like your guns...... if you can afford to keep your guns.
Bad guys know who to target for robberies and where to get guns. Takes the guesswork and danger out of their job.
Why the government fails to pass effective laws to curb violence is a human tragedy. Most illegal guns are stolen, the large majority from armories and gun shops, along with private owners. Would it not make sense to pass regs re the storage of firearms???????
Unlike the lie told by the media and obama, that the safest places have the strictest gun laws, Maine for instance has the most liberal gun laws and yet is one of if not the safest states in the union.
Ask why legislators insist on sacrificing innocent lives to achieve their impossible theoretical goal of no guns , no gun violence. Ask why they pursue ineffective legislation over and over and over again. Ask why the laws are not enforced? Ask why violent offenders are released back into society on no bail laws and when illegal alien felons with a long criminal history often of murder, are released back into the streets, defying ICE retainers????
the socialists can justify their position, however, the public does not buy into their distorted lies and so the gun and ammo sales are at an all time high.
We can't round up 11 million illegal aliens, it is impossible,impractical.... but we can roundup a gazzilion privately owned firearms and make felons out of law abiding citizens.
Even NJ does not require all privately owned firearms be registered.. Shhh!
How is a registration giving the national government 'unlimited power'? A registration is only a list of who owns what and where. By itself it does not allow the government anything and can actually be used to protect people from being falsely implicated in crimes.
Why not keep it at the state and local level? All we need to do is close some of the loopholes that exist. Creating more federal bureaucracy makes no sense and will waste money.
If you want to reduce violent crime let the police do their jobs and stop hamstringing them.
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